Alexander McQueen

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:13 am

So some faggy bastad who I've never heard of tops himself and gets the first 10 minutes of the News at Ten? The media today hasn't just got it's priorities all wrong it's also overrun with queers promoting the existence and supposed normality of other queers. Last time it was the puffy Irish singer who'd overdone the tablets and got days and weeks of headline coverage, this time it's some pillow biter who's supposedly a genius for designing frocks.

And about third story in was about an English soldier being killed in Afghanistan. Like I said, priorities of the press in this country are all so wrong.

So let's be honest, who on here had heard of the dead bummer?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

[keeps hand down as i've never heard of the twat]

parmopooly · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:04 am

I've heard of Steve McQueen but he's been brown bread for yonks now

rodders · **Joined:** Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:19 pm **Posts:** 17

Gordons brother? bbolt

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:14 am

Wasn't it a Smith's album?

McQueen Is Dead. bbolt

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:18 am

Mr Ripper wrote:

So some faggy bastad who I've never heard of tops himself and gets the first 10 minutes of the News at Ten? The media today hasn't just got it's priorities all wrong it's also overrun with queers promoting the existence and supposed normality of other queers. Last time it was the puffy Irish singer who'd overdone the tablets and got days and weeks of headline coverage, this time it's some pillow biter who's supposedly a genius for designing frocks.

And about third story in was about an English soldier being killed in Afghanistan. Like I said, priorities of the press in this country are all so wrong.

So let's be honest, who on here had heard of the dead bummer?

And you're a moderator?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

But he was a 'genius'.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:24 am

Obafemi Obsession wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

So some faggy bastad who I've never heard of tops himself and gets the first 10 minutes of the News at Ten? The media today hasn't just got it's priorities all wrong it's also overrun with queers promoting the existence and supposed normality of other queers. Last time it was the puffy Irish singer who'd overdone the tablets and got days and weeks of headline coverage, this time it's some pillow biter who's supposedly a genius for designing frocks.

And about third story in was about an English soldier being killed in Afghanistan. Like I said, priorities of the press in this country are all so wrong.

So let's be honest, who on here had heard of the dead bummer?

And you're a moderator?

I haven't heard of the queer bloke either!!!! confised

But that's what this Country is like now....'Celebrity' Obsessed!!!! stpid

BTW....I bet POK knows who he is/was!!!! :roll:

born toulouse · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:26 am

Highly respected British designer who established a world famous brand very quickly in a highly competitive creative industry. Not my sort of thing but I've heard of him. Deserved some coverage on the news but not ten minutes. Didn't deserve a load of homophobic abuse.

The fact that the media rate a celebrity death as more newsworthy than a non-celebrity death isn't to do with sexuality, it's to do with what sells papers and attracts hits and viewers. I think you're right to demand that people pay more attention to the growing number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan but the bigotry aimed at McQueen won't help, in fact it sounds a bit like the sort of thing the Taliban would agree with.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Just had a quick look at a few of his prices;

Cashmere jumper £2600
Handbag £986
Frock £5175
White T shirt £379

banghead

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

As far as Afghan is concerned, trouble is that the story is pretty much the same every time, it was much the same with deaths in Ireland when I was a kid. 'Another soldier who no one has heard of outside of his family and friends has died'. Whereas this celebrity tailor is known by many.

I'd never heard of him myself but then I see little difference in a £5 plain white t shirt from Asda and a £260 plain white t shirt made by this fella.

WestParkPoolie · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:42 am

When anyone dies, it's sad to hear - especially in the case of suicide. What is even sadder is that the deaths of soldiers are not given as much attention. Sadly, so many have died - it's ceased to become 'news' i.e. it is not unusual.

Very disappointed to see that Alexander McQueens sexuality has been brought up (but not at all suprised). It's of no relevance at all.

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:07 am

Well said sir.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12381

Mr I wrote:

Just had a quick look at a few of his prices;

Cashmere jumper £2600
Handbag £986
Frock £5175
White T shirt £379

banghead

Aye silly ridiculous prices.
However those prices are a testament to the man's ability to sell his gear.
Very clever marketing people have always been able to con people with too much money.
The statement being " I wear this stuff because I can afford to"
It's got nothing to do with value.

As for the media.................look at the coverage Jade Goody got.................tells you everything.

It's all about sales or viewing figures.

The guys sexual leanings.......................not interested I'm afraid.

Freaky Teeth · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:52 am

Well i'd never heard of the bent bastard either confised

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:02 pm

Well we can all thank him for womens low slung sexy jeans as he "invented" them.

"Alexander McQueen was the man who made the builder's bum fashionable. His "bumsters", which appeared in 1996, spawned the trend in perilously low-rise, crevice-revealing jeans.

It was a look that spread and spread, although few dared go as low as McQueen's signature buttock-bearing style."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8511404.stm

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:06 pm

Yeah, quite popular in remote lay-bys those bum revealers!

parmopooly · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:11 pm

Mr I wrote:

Just had a quick look at a few of his prices;

Cashmere jumper £2600
Handbag £986
Frock £5175
White T shirt £379

banghead

hmmm seems quite reasonable to me
I think I'll get meself three handbags and a frock

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:43 pm

parmopooly wrote:

Mr I wrote:

Just had a quick look at a few of his prices;

Cashmere jumper £2600
Handbag £986
Frock £5175
White T shirt £379

banghead

hmmm seems quite reasonable to me
I think I'll get meself three handbags and a frock

Aye, and I'm ganna clean me winda's this affa' with one of those White T shirts.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:45 pm

born toulouse wrote:

bigotry aimed at McQueen .

I don't think we should flatter the post with the term 'bigotry'. This is Mr 'Vesuvius' Ripper we're talking about, remember.

Anyway, I knew nothing about Alexander McQueen until to-day, but having read the stuff in the paper, I think he sounds quite intriguing. The sets and drama he used for his displays included reconstructions from history, theatre, film etc, which apparently were inspirational.

Yes, he charged obscene prices for handbags, but which of us is without sin? certainly not many on here. :wink:

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:49 pm

It's the attacks on his homosexuality I object to Grabey. Ne need for it.

nick · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:53 pm

WestParkPoolie wrote:

Very disappointed to see that Alexander McQueens sexuality has been brought up (but not at all suprised). It's of no relevance at all.

Suicides are more common among homosexuals so maybe there is some relevance.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:53 pm

Obafemi Obsession wrote:

It's the attacks on his homosexuality I object to Grabey. Ne need for it.

Well, OO, there is a need for it in the sense that Mr Ripper et al need to do it. But they also need us to respond to it, so let's not in future, thereby aborting their thrill. :coool:

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:02 pm

nick wrote:

WestParkPoolie wrote:

Very disappointed to see that Alexander McQueens sexuality has been brought up (but not at all suprised). It's of no relevance at all.

Suicides are more common among homosexuals so maybe there is some relevance.

what about homosexual inuit's theirs must be through the roof

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:08 pm

Apparently, Norweigans kill themselves a lot, whatever their persuasion. After all the snow we've had this winter, I can see why.

By the way, where's Norge, these days??

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:22 pm

And to think British soldiers are fighting and dieing to preserve the freedom and safety of people like Mr Ripper.
They must wander why they bother.

Bigotted no mark.

banghead

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:33 pm

couldnt agree more, any topic relating to musliums, homosexuality etc always contains post of this stupid nature.

what has this fella or even any gay for that matter ever done to you ripper?

My Mam always says "people who have a problem with it either have something to hide and are not at ease with their own sexuality".

WestParkPoolie · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:46 pm

chip fireball wrote:

blokes mother dies, and a few days later he kills himself. pretty grim stuff, but i guess this sort of thing happens pretty regularly.

however the first post on this thread is deeply offensive, and the fact it was posted by a moderator is yet further evidence of the depths to which this board has plummeted.

we are being asked to make financial donations to support the bunker. i dont have an issue with this per se. what i do have an issue with is financially supporting a forum that professes to operate as a medium for hartlepool united fans to discuss broadly football related topics, but appears to have a not so hidden extremist agenda.

to be blunt, when i read garbage like this, rather than financially supporting the bunker, im at the point where im seriously considering whether it shouldnt just be allowed to die.

I've had the same sort of thoughts myself today.

When the bunker is good, it's very good. When it's bad, it's downright offensive.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:47 pm

chip fireball wrote:

we are being asked to make financial donations to support the bunker. i dont have an issue with this per se. what i do have an issue with is financially supporting a forum that professes to operate as a medium for hartlepool united fans to discuss broadly football related topics, but appears to have a not so hidden extremist agenda.

to be blunt, when i read garbage like this, rather than financially supporting the bunker, im at the point where im seriously considering whether it shouldnt just be allowed to die.

I agree, chip, and have been thinking very much on the same lines.
If we're all going to contribute, then the moderation has to be based on commonly held values. Many people complain about the moderators, or at least about certain moderators, but so far it's been a case of 'they run the board, like it or lump it'.

As a matter of fact, compo brought up the issue ages ago, when he said that donations should be asked for, and then everyone could have an equal say.
Can Mr I say whether there are going to be any changes in moderating in return for funds?
I propose a quango for the purpose of moderating moderators, composed perhaps of chip and compo.

nick · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:48 pm

Yeah we need to bring in some knind of ombudsman.

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:52 pm

Agree with Grabec, I dont mind paying a donation to the board as stated whn its good its very good, however we should all have equal share.

How come threads get locked and posts deleted when dont agree with the Mod's way of thinking or tow the line yet when a mod spouts this crap its been left on.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Its open to suggestions.

I'd hate to see us getting too politically correct but if people are genuinely offended then of course it needs dealing with. That works both ways though, lets not automatically scream delete just because someone posts something that isn't guardian proof.

Oh, and nobody is being asked to contribute financially, Its entirely voluntary. I has been suggested by others many times that there should be a mechanism for sharing the costs, I just never bothered about it until recently when the hosting company's invoices started to get bigger. Reason for the increase is due to bandwidth usage and I suspect a awful lot of that is due to you tube posts.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Incidentally, I've never said the bunker was mine, its a community. You can't own a community. Sure the URL is registered in my name but that means pretty much sod all, without the users its an empty piece of software.

As for shouting about how bad this or that has gone, do you think I've got some magic wand? The content is down to all of you, if its good or bad then thats down to all of you too.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:17 pm

Mr I wrote:

Incidentally, I've never said the bunker was mine, its a community. You can't own a community. Sure the URL is registered in my name but that means pretty much sod all, without the users its an empty piece of software.

As for shouting about how bad this or that has gone, do you think I've got some magic wand? The content is down to all of you, if its good or bad then thats down to all of you too.

The content is down to what the moderators allow, though isn't it, Mr I? That's what moderating is. It's not about letting some posters get away with murder while others are banned for trivial things.
And you, and other moderators in the past have said, no question, when people have complained about posts, 'if you don't like it, leave'.

As to suggestions, I'm not sure what to say. It's not about being politically correct. There are jokes that are politically incorrect but funny, and then there's venom. I don't use many message boards, but I look at In the Blue and Vital Football occasionally, and they don't have this problem. Perhaps we should ask them how they do it?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Dunno.... I'm not here all day and there are other moderators. Chip has just been extremely vocal but yet he has the same moderating powers as anyone else. Not Ripper nor me or anyone else is above reproach or moderating. I wasn't offended by Rippers post but then I could see it was tongue in cheek. I can see however how others could easily be offended by it.

As for the ITB board, I don't spend any time there but I suspect that there is an older crowd on here generally and things that are discussed here tend to be debated in more depth. Besides, the majority of the posts there are about Pools. A quick look also suggests that the daily posts on here are considerably in excess of ITB, we average about 300 posts a day so theres more to disagree with.

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:20 pm

Mr I we all know that we are all accountable but who pics the mods, i dont know but would hazard a guess its you. Surely the Mod's are as their name suggests to moderate the content on the board. Its like being a representative of something therefore you cant moderate and spew the rubbish ripper has.

I am no guardian reader or a prude but anyone with half a brain knows that what ripper said was wrong, and deep down he knows it.

And for the record normally ripper talks sence and like reading his posts, I dont want the board turned into somewhere you cant say anything without people calling for it to be removed.

I am no saint on here and am not whiter than white but lets all just think for half a second before posting things like this.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Compo wrote:

Mr I we all know that we are all accountable but who pics the mods, i dont know but would hazard a guess its you. Surely the Mod's are as their name suggests to moderate the content on the board. Its like being a representative of something therefore you cant moderate and spew the rubbish ripper has.

I am no guardian reader or a prude but anyone with half a brain knows that what ripper said was wrong, and deep down he knows it.

And for the record normally ripper talks sence and like reading his posts, I dont want the board turned into somewhere you cant say anything without people calling for it to be removed.

I am no saint on here and am not whiter than white but lets all just think for half a second before posting things like this.

Nothing to disagree with there.

The mods are pretty much those who were involved in setting the thing up way back when. I'm sure that most of them are hardly ideal candidates! myself included. It's just a question of time served I guess. Maybe it needs a shake up.

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:33 pm

Looking at Ripper's OP, I think he was upset that a soldier who was killed serving his country was further down the news agenda than a fashion designer who very few had heard of.

It's just unfortunate that Mr Ripper hooked on to the fact the designer was a homosexual and used this angle to vent his spleen.

That doesn't make what he said any better of course.

katcha · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:41 pm

It's just the typical kneejerk reaction that he's after, nothing less. Anyone who is over the age of around 30 would surely have heard of him, and if they hadn't then there's still no need to criticise his death being made public to those who are interested. The guy was a leader in the world of fashion, we all wear clothes, ergo we are assumed to have an interest. Simple. Whether he liked boys over ladies or not has nothing to do with it.

Ripper should be ashamed of himself but he won't be.

Perhaps methinks he doth protest too much.....

Shocking post from an increasingly ah yawn....poster.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

chip fireball wrote:

john i think theres a growing trend for posting extreme viewpoints and when people complain using the " political correctness gone mad " defence.

this bloke didnt ask to be on the news at ten nor did his family. most of us are at an age where we have experienced depression or grief. it isnt pleasant, but it is part of life. losing a close member of your family can be incredibly traumatic, and very difficult to cope with. anyone who has lost a parent has probably experienced what this poor gadge experienced. he felt he couldnt cope and killed himself.

calling someone a bummer, a faggy bastad, and suggesting he wasnt normal because he was gay is offensive. there was no humour whatsoever in the original post, its just plain vitriol. the fact that is was posted by a moderator simply makes those attempting to run the boards job even harder. as oo has pointed out how can those tasked with moderating the board by trusted when they cant even moderate themselves ?

No argument there either. I make no secret of the fact that I don't see homosexuality as normal behaviour but there again if its done in private then so be it. This bloke is hardly Julian Clary and from what I've seen I wouldn't have known. Now I do know I don't care. Rich or poor all I can see is a bloke who committed suicide because he couldn't deal with the death of his mother which is tragic in itself.

I don't see why that should warrant ten minutes of news time but sadly then theres nothing unusual about a soldier being killed in Afghanistan and therefore by definition its not that newsworthy anymore.

Back on track, we need to get back to the days when we used to have some rules albeit they were loose. The main one was don't offend people on purpose and thats what Ripper has clearly done although I'm sure he was genuine in his sentiment about it not being more important that the death of another soldier.

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:48 pm

Excellent posts from Messrs Fireball, Katcha and I.

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:54 pm

Mr I wrote:

Back on track, we need to get back to the days when we used to have some rules albeit they were loose. The main one was don't offend people on purpose and thats what Ripper has clearly done although I'm sure he was genuine in his sentiment about it not being more important that the death of another soldier.

Well said, and know that Ripper is right about his death not being as important as a solider, however he was a pioneer in his field and was British, same as if James Dyson, Richard Branson, etc had died in this way it would have been all over the news. I am not saying thats right but its the world we live in.

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:03 pm

When you look at the world of entertainment, it is rife with homosexuality anyway.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:07 pm

Mr I wrote:

The mods are pretty much those who were involved in setting the thing up way back when. I'm sure that most of them are hardly ideal candidates! myself included. It's just a question of time served I guess. Maybe it needs a shake up.

That's an interesting idea. How would we do it? Have to have a poll, I suppose, from a list of people who're willing/have time to do a bit of moderating.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:09 pm

Compo wrote:

Well said, and know that Ripper is right about his death not being as important as a solider, however he was a pioneer in his field and was British, same as if James Dyson, Richard Branson, etc had died in this way it would have been all over the news. I am not saying thats right but its the world we live in.

His death was 'as' important, just not 'more' important.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:12 pm

Warwick Hunt wrote:

When you look at the world of entertainment, it is rife with homosexuality anyway.

I never give a moment's thought to homosexuality, except when I read about it on the Bunker. Why should I? It no more defines anyone than the colour of her/his hair.

Compo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:20 pm

Warwick Hunt wrote:

When you look at the world of entertainment, it is rife with homosexuality anyway.

so just like normal life then :roll:

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:21 pm

Compo wrote:

Warwick Hunt wrote:

When you look at the world of entertainment, it is rife with homosexuality anyway.

so just like normal life then :roll:

Possibly. I have a few gay friends. It's not an issue with me.

oshkosh · **Joined:** Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:09 pm **Posts:** 133

lights touchpaper

Just bought an Alexander McQeen shirt, its tight on the neck but hangs well

Steps back

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:41 pm

What amazed me was that a couple of days after McQueen's mother died, according to the photo that was in the Mirror today, was that a couple of days just after his mother had died, he had posted a Tweet saying basically "Life must go on."

Within a couple of days, he kills himself.

Now, I fully understand what it is like to go through the pain and suffering of losing a loved one in your family, and I can tell you it hurts very deeply. But to me, killing yourself after thinking that life must go on - I can't help but think you've got to continue to be strong after something this, regardless of how much excruciating pain you may feel at the news.

I'm sure that his mother would have appreciated the fact that he would continue his life and career just how'd she wanted.

Alexander McQueen

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