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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:59 pm 
That is a disgrace.


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feckin ell! Thats a great effort clappp

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:04 pm 
No mention of the tiny allocation on our site;

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/page/ ... 97,00.html

You get treat like shite at these big grounds.


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Disgrace.

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Good turn out. 450 plus, shame about the organisation and lack of communication from norwich and pools

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I'm amazed a ground like theirs only has a 450 allocation for away fans.


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We all are, Warwick.


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It holds 26,000 and the place is totally full, they've obviously just moved the partition to get more home fans which is a disgrace when our lot have travelled so far.


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It holds 26,000 and the place is totally full, they've obviously just moved the partition to get more home fans which is a disgrace when our lot have travelled so far.


You just despair, really.


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They must have thought we wouldn't take that many down there. Shame we probably wont play them next season - we could have done the same to them.


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They must have thought we wouldn't take that many down there. Shame we probably wont play them next season - we could have done the same to them.


I'm not sure we'll get promoted from here Mr Kunt. sadx


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I know exactly how it feels to be locked out of a ground after making the effort to get there. Norwich City should refund the travelling costs of those locked out since they failed to make adequate arrangements in advance to either make the away end all ticket or let it be known that there was a limited number of seats available for away fans.


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Some Loids were refused entry for turning up late/looking scruffy/allegedly causing aggro at Aldershot, on the opening day of the season. I think the Shots management apologised to them afterwards.

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Aldershot, first match of the season. Plenty room in the away end but because we turned up late there were "health & safety" issues so they couldnt let us in. The club were shamed by their own fans into refunding us our travelling costs. We donated them to the Bobby Robson Foundation since we were spending the rest of the weekend down that way anyway so missing the match was just a small inconvenience.


.................plus they saved us paying to watch another crap performance :laugh:


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BillinghamPoolie wrote:
Some Loids were refused entry for turning up late/looking scruffy/allegedly causing aggro at Aldershot, on the opening day of the season.


That was the official line before they actually did some investigating. They ended up admitting that their staff were out of order for turning us away.


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My brother-in-law was one of them, the usual away allocation at Carrow Road is 2,500 so to restrict it to 450 and not let Pools know (or if Pools knew and didn't say) is shocking.

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New ground for most of us so a bit of a novelty value.....been to Elland Road once, got the tee shirt. clappp
Well done to all the lads there, but on current form, do we deserve the support, home or away? :uhoh:

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I'm afraid that Hartlepool did know the allocation. As we sell out our home games, away teams are offered up to the maximum allocation of 2900 I think. They can choose to commit to buy blocks of that maximum of certain sizes so that all unsold tickets outside those blocks can be resold to home fans.
In this case, Hartlepool only accepted 450 so that was your allocation. If the club has asked for 1000, they would've got them.
You can't expect us to give you a full 2900 allocation and watch you sell 600, leaving 2300 of our fans unable to see the game can you? Shame some got locked out, but do you not have phones? Phoning either NCFC or Pool would've stopped that


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So our club knew this and never made it known???????

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Are you any relation to Martin? Isn't he from round your way?


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I'm afraid that Hartlepool did know the allocation. As we sell out our home games, away teams are offered up to the maximum allocation of 2900 I think. They can choose to commit to buy blocks of that maximum of certain sizes so that all unsold tickets outside those blocks can be resold to home fans.
In this case, Hartlepool only accepted 450 so that was your allocation. If the club has asked for 1000, they would've got them.
You can't expect us to give you a full 2900 allocation and watch you sell 600, leaving 2300 of our fans unable to see the game can you? Shame some got locked out, but do you not have phones? Phoning either NCFC or Pool would've stopped that



ps if what your saying is right then the club should be refunding those who couldnt get in their travel costs etc

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If this is true the club has made a huge gaffe in not announcing it.


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I'm afraid that Hartlepool did know the allocation. As we sell out our home games, away teams are offered up to the maximum allocation of 2900 I think. They can choose to commit to buy blocks of that maximum of certain sizes so that all unsold tickets outside those blocks can be resold to home fans.
In this case, Hartlepool only accepted 450 so that was your allocation. If the club has asked for 1000, they would've got them.
You can't expect us to give you a full 2900 allocation and watch you sell 600, leaving 2300 of our fans unable to see the game can you? Shame some got locked out, but do you not have phones? Phoning either NCFC or Pool would've stopped that

yes we may have phones but what about exhiles,surely you should make provision for those that want to pay on the gate for those from here who reside in the south for work purposes.


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If tickets were limited then it should have been announced by someone and the most likely place for that would have been Pools official site.


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Just looked, nope definitely nothing there about this. Plenty of fooking adverts for all sorts of old shite but no information on tickets being limited.

I'm off to log in to pleasesendmespam.com now for a less ad filled experience.


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Apparently they issue 420 then increase if needed - as we had only sold under 200 by Thursday they obviously assumed we were only needing those seats.

Stewards - a joke - were made to sit in allocated seats - mine was at the front and spent have the game asking the stewards to move so i could actually see the game - and could overhear what was being said - they had over sold the away end as it was - there were not enough seats for the 'bums' .


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The best thing to do is to e-mail the club on Monday. Someone has cocked-up here but I think it may have been Norwich who have just decided to restrict us on the spur of the moment.


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Warwick Hunt wrote:
The best thing to do is to e-mail the club on Monday. Someone has cocked-up here but I think it may have been Norwich who have just decided to restrict us on the spur of the moment.


Don't be daft. As stated repeatedly, away teams are offered up to 2000 tickets and can choose how many of those they want in blocks of roughly 500. Hartlepool only wanted the first block, so that is what they got.


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The best thing to do is to e-mail the club on Monday. Someone has cocked-up here but I think it may have been Norwich who have just decided to restrict us on the spur of the moment.


Don't be daft. As stated repeatedly, away teams are offered up to 2000 tickets and can choose how many of those they want in blocks of roughly 500. Hartlepool only wanted the first block, so that is what they got.


I've answered this on another thread but if you are so sure of this Canary Yellow then I would be grateful to see a link confirming this.


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Warwick Hunt wrote:
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The best thing to do is to e-mail the club on Monday. Someone has cocked-up here but I think it may have been Norwich who have just decided to restrict us on the spur of the moment.


Don't be daft. As stated repeatedly, away teams are offered up to 2000 tickets and can choose how many of those they want in blocks of roughly 500. Hartlepool only wanted the first block, so that is what they got.


I've answered this on another thread but if you are so sure of this Canary Yellow then I would be grateful to see a link confirming this.


It's well known that this is the case amongst Norwich fans. I'm sure if you phone the Norwich ticket office they will confirm it for you, it's no secret and no one is trying to screw you over.


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Norwich are well known for selling out every week. Like in the Premier League, where sell-outs are more common, away fans don't turn up expecting to pay on the day. With this in mind, I would have thought people would have considered it prudent to have obtained a ticket in advance.

I fail to see a failure from NCFC on this. If people are honest, they know where the failure has been.

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a mate of mine was complaining to one of the senior stewards at halt-time about the lock out. He said that that it had happened on at least 3 occasions this season alone banghead banghead banghead

It's okay the City fans coming on here trying to apportion blame on pools but sorry, if this has happened before the error lies on their doorstep.


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I would add, whilst trying to find out ticketing info for Norwich, I read on the Exeter City website (Norwich played them at home a few weeks back) a warning that although it was pay on the day, Norwich would sell any unsold away tickets to home fans and as such, warned Exeter fans to purchase in advance. Did pools get a similar warning sctatchinghead

One final point, I posted a question on here requesting info about the Norwich ticket situation a few weeks back to be sarcastically told 'its hardly going to be a sellout'...........perhaps I should be childish and bump up the post to name and shame :grin:


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I would add, whilst trying to find out ticketing info for Norwich, I read on the Exeter City website


Well done for highlighting that the failure was by Pools.

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Is there an ecco in here? sctatchinghead


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I seem to be banging my head against a brickwall here so I'm going to give up.

Rest assured however there will be no apology from ncfc as it is quiet obviously hufc's fault for not telling it's fans how many tickets were available.


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One thing to note is that if you ask for the full 2500 (or 1250 or 900 or...) seats, you have to pay for them all whether or not you sell them. This is why the negotiation goes on. HUFC would've agreed to 450 because it minimises the financial risk to themselves. This is standard practice in the Championship now. It makes sense when the ground is nearly always full, but clubs like Crystal Palace have done it for years even though their ground is rarely even 2/3rds full.

HUFC should have let you know the allocation was going to be very limited so you could have been prepared.

For what it's worth, the same thing happened to Brentford last week. They asked for 900 and were given them. Then on the Wednesday before the game they asked for another 500, but the tickets had already been sold. They kicked up a fuss, but in the end only brought 800 fans anyway.

Anyway, good luck for the rest of the season (my late uncle was a Hartlepool fan, the only one in Northern Ireland according to him).


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canary, it may be " well known among norwich fans " but as none of us are norwich fans i fail to see you point. i dont recall any norwich fans coming on here before the game and warning us this might happen.

the fact it has happened before this season makes it even worse.

given their geographical location i would have thought norwich city would have been making it clear in the loudest terms possible to hartlepool united that tickets would be very limited on the day and entry could not be guaranteed. and in fact if you didnt have a ticket in advance there was a good chance you wouldnt get in.

is that point made on the official norwich website, because it certainly wasnt made on the pools one ?

nobody should be apportioning blame until we get an official announcement from pools, but certainly someone has fooked up big style.

lack of empathy from the norwich fan quite astounding though. did you come up to hartlepool earlier in the season ?


Why on earth should NCFC be making it clear in the loudest terms possibly to Pools. If they've told Pools we're only getting 450 tickets, it's for Pools to tell us. It appears the switched-on people at Exeter managed to tell their fans.

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I seem to be banging my head against a brickwall here so I'm going to give up.

Rest assured however there will be no apology from ncfc as it is quiet obviously hufc's fault for not telling it's fans how many tickets were available.


welcome to the board and bang you head some more.
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There should have been an announcement and it should have been Pools who advised Pools fans. To blame Norwich is ridiculous. Either way its all very rose coloured glasses, most people would have said that 450 would have been enough. Mind you Muttley did predict 458 which is uncannily accurate.


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There should have been an announcement and it should have been Pools who advised Pools fans. To blame Norwich is ridiculous. Either way its all very rose coloured glasses, most people would have said that 450 would have been enough. Mind you Muttley did predict 458 which is uncannily accurate.


Thank heavens for someone with sense.

The grief the Norwich fans are getting is pathetic.

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a) and?

b) I told you the policy because you were saying we'd screwed you over, which we haven't. You've been given the number of tickets you asked for.

c) you asked for 450 tickets, thats what you got. If hufc thought there might not be enough they should have told you.

d) why would it be? Our website is for info for our fans, you can't buy away tickets on our website, why would we have info on them?

Call me a prick all you want, I don't care. You just make yourself look stupid.


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CanaryYellow - Contrary to what Chip Shoulder is saying, I don't think you've acted arrogantly at all.

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How am I a big club tosspot?

I haven't been at all rude about your club. I have a lot of sympathy for those that travelled and didn't get in. I only responded to Norwich being blamed for this. If this makes me a big club tossed I can live with that.

We didn't sell unsold pools tickets. You asked for 450 tickets and that's what you got. The other 25000 seats are then norwich tickets. There is no away end; it is dictated by how many tickets the away team want.


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chip fireball wrote:
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CanaryYellow - Contrary to what Chip Shoulder is saying, I don't think you've acted arrogantly at all.


spoken like a bloke that gets to 3 games a season. :roll:


Based on some of the comments on this thread, it'd be an easy choice not to go to any.

I also fail to see how the number of games you go to determines how unreasonably you can be to opposition fans.

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You're questioning my intellect when all of your posts are riddled with biggotted insults? Ok then.

I might come back during school hours tomorrow but bye for now. Anyone who wants to come and chat about the game will be more than welcome at http://www.pinkun.com.


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we got in ok but loads didnt stewards were idiots tryin to make us sit in imaginary seats banghead


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The problem could of easilly been sorted by rolling the canvas between the Pools and Norwich fans back a couple of seats as there was little chance of agro. The away end did appear to be over full as it was standing room only at the back, most of the stewards were clueless.

Personally i think forcing clubs to predict their away following by pre purchasing tickets is out of order. If the weather had of been a bit less bitter in Hartlepool then a lot more people may of visited Norwich. Clubs should be forced to give a % of their ground capacity to away fans, if a couple of hundred tickets remain unsold then tough. i know Norwich are desperate for money but it's a bit underhand what they did in my opinion.


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chip fireball wrote:
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How am I a big club tosspot?

I haven't been at all rude about your club. I have a lot of sympathy for those that travelled and didn't get in. I only responded to Norwich being blamed for this. If this makes me a big club tossed I can live with that.

We didn't sell unsold pools tickets. You asked for 450 tickets and that's what you got. The other 25000 seats are then norwich tickets. There is no away end; it is dictated by how many tickets the away team want.


hang on, in your first post you stated we had asked for 500 tickets and had been given them. now you are stating it is 450. so its abundantly clear you, like the rest of us, are not in full possession of the facts.

and yet rather than wait until an official announcement has been made you grandly declare norwich city will not be apologising and none of this is their fault and the blame lies entirely with hartlepool.

the blame probably does lie mostly with hartlepool, but i very much doubt norwich are entirely blameless in this given your own fans have stated away fans have been locked out 3 times already this season. if that is happening regularly you would expect norwich to do something about it.

as ive previously stated the logical thing would be to not sell any tickets to away fans on the day of the game.

however it seems to me norwich want the best of both worlds in that they will sell to whoever turns up first.


If they hadn't have sold tickets yesterday, Pools would have taken a hit on the tickets that remained unsold. Whichever way you look at it, Pools are at fault. You're even saying it's probably Pools' failure, yet you're still trying to blame Norwich.

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