I know this is pointless poll but who would you prefer as manager.

We don't have a manager so anybody who has a track record and mr Director of whatever it is can go back upstairs..

Turner got tactics wrong tonight and its time for him to start looking at himself

I would prefer Chip Fireball for manager.

Mr blobby would be a good candidate

An improvement anyway

who the hell chose turner over cooper?

sorry

Are we going to harp on about Cooper for fukking ever?

I liked the bloke but going on about him all the time is pointless. We have had a steady start, Turner deserves at least until the fa cup 1st round is over and done with before we start being hyper critical? Lets give the bloke a fair chance - can we?

No?

Turner should have until late October/early November. He needs to start getting some consistency from the team.

Even if all was forgiven and Cooper came back tomorrow, what are the chances he could do the same this time around?


I'd still pick him above Turner though.

It's a crying shame that he didn't get thes support he needed when he was here.

You were wank ing yoursen daft about CT and the team last week and sucking up to all and sundry to gain bumhole points

But now you are back to normal

Praise the Lord, I thought these painkillers were sending me bandy!

Well Turner's getting a fair crack of the whip as far as I'm concerned. His record with the other two clubs he has managed speaks volumes.

FFS Would you hire someone who managed to get sacked from his other two jobs due to incompetence and then put him in charge .

He wouldn't even need to be sacked just moved back upstairs..

Get some one in who actually achieved something with the club.

The feel good factor would return and maybe just maybe the crowds.

But that would mean Uncle Ken having to admit he wrong in sacking the guy in the first place and I don't think that would ever happen.

I know its a "what if" but imagine what we may have achieved if Cooper hadn't been sacked ..
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yeah we probably would have got beat and not got into the playoffs at all

oh and turner has had 3 clubs, not 2, its only fair you use the full picture not just the wanky bits to prove your point

Ok then if we're dealing with truths hes had four and three out of the four haven't been of the required standard ie. the last three times he's been a manager he hasn't achieved much...

Lets face it hes only the manager now by default but he talks to fans so must be ok..

Do you advocate we do a Scootty and wait until Ben Clark chins him before we move him on??

no i simply advocate giving him a fair chance with the squad he has put together. He has another 5 weeks or so for me, if we are in or around the bottom 4 then he should bite the bullet and move aside.

I have never been a fan of CT but I was prepared to give him some credit for some decent signings this season and a few decent results (only a few unfortunately). I think last nights game is quite damning regardless of the importance of the game. Its easy to over-react following a positive or negative performance and I think most on here have done so during the season. I think giving CT another 3 or 4 weeks will have given us and IOR plenty of opportunity to assess whether he is right for the job. If we are hovering around midtable then it would be hard to argue against him but obviously if we are around the relegation places (despite the backing he has had from IOR) then I think he should be on his way back 'upstairs'.

It pointless looking back at Cooper, or any other manager that has been in charge under IOR, they simply wont re-employ them. Some on here will ,now say, well they re-empoyed Turner, but they didn't bring him back as Manager, and ,technically, he's still only caretaker, though its now 10 month's since he was appointed as caretaker.

I said at the time I didn't think he was the man ,long term, I still don't, but I also said I would support him as Manager, until, or if, we were fighting relegation, for that reason I will still support him and his teams on a match day. How long that last's will depend on results.

I pointed out at the time that since leaving Pools in November 2002 ,he had a win ratio of 1 in 4(approx). Now although we have won 3 away games so far this season( I'm counting Coventry,before anyone says it's 2) which is an improvement on the last couple of seasons per game ratio, his win rate is now less than the 1 in 4, having lost exactly twice as many as he has won. (11 wins 22 defeats 9 draws)

It's with that win ratio percentage, that I can see why fans are now calling for his head, fans who, although they probably wont admit it, where over the moon when he was appointed caretaker manager.

The simple fact is that a lot of managers of any of the 92 clubs would be under pressure with that record, if you put it as a season it would read played 42 pts 42, 4 games of a season left and something like 3 wins out of 4 to have a chance to avoid relegation. a big ask of any team who had only managed 11 wins all the rest of the season.

I said I wanted him to prove me wrong, it looked with the points we were picking up away, he may have been on the way, but after 14 games, the jury is still out in my opinion Some people say give him till end October , 4 more games (on current win ratio it 1 win) some say end of November, 7 more games (on current win ratio possibly still only 1 win, maybe 2) some say end of December, 13 more games (on current win ratio possibly 3 wins), so come end December, 3 more wins and for good measure I will say we lose 6, (he has lost exactly twice as many as he has won in this spell as manager) so that leaves 4 games drawn. So an extra 13 points up to end of December.

Pools record would read played 24 points 25. Yes it's all hypothetical, and based simply on current win ratio statistics which we all know can change, but if that was our points tally in December , we would certainly be in the bottom 4.

So if those results were to carry on, then my support would certainly have gone by the end of this year.

I'd personally drive to scotland and go pick cooper up if that would get him back.

No.


That would scare him off.

Cracking post!

cooper is in the past, lets remember his time fondly, but pretty pretty please move on!

So is Turner so in your words ,"Its time to move on!" (oh and have I mentioned his record with his other clubs... )

turners 'good times' are certainly in the past. but uncle ken wants to give him a crack to see if he can do it again.

Maybe he will, if not lets hope both parties spot it and admit it early enough and move on.

How is Turner in the past if he's currently in charge of our first team?

I think that the achievements of Clough, Knowles, Murray and Turner all surpass what was done by the excellent Neale Cooper.

Clough and Knowles built quickly great teams from bad teams with very little money.

Murray had some money but built the first Pools side ever to be competitive in League One and gave us some of our greatest cup achievements.

Turner (admittedly with money) took a bloody awful side with no morale and dragged us from our lowest point- heading for certain relegation- and then built quickly a very good side, which he improved year on year.

I guess as he took us 14 points clear and got us one of our 3 promotions you could even make a case for Newell as having achieved more.

I still don't get the 20/20 rose tinted spectacles that make Cooper a genius of the standing of Ferguson or Clough.

When he was sacked it wasn't only on the player power/personal problems front. It was that combined with the fact that we had been garbage for the last 3 months and were going to miss the play-offs - a form sacking.

The real great managerial achievement at Pools in this golden, rich, IOR age is Martin Scott's. To take a good team and make it a bad team with zero morale was an incredible feat. It also had the effect of making Cooper look very good in contrast.

I think it needs to be taken into account that Cooper had two seasons in the third tier and, in both, we reached the play offs. No other manager since the old third division north days has achieved anything anywhere near that.

Cooper showed passion which I have never seen from a pools manager in the 30 odd years i've been going.
His post match speech would have been the opposite of what turner spoke. He'd have probably had the players on seaton beach this morning. Turners probably given them the day off.

Turner works in a results business, he will get given time if he gets the results.

The job he is in does not need great pr, it doesnt need soundbytes about this and that, it needs results.

It's as simple as that.

Surely results and safety go hand in hand
We achieved safety last season, then Turner persuaded IOR to fund the acquisition of eleven new players. I think improvement to reflect IOR's investment will be expected.
I don't think IOR will be doing cartwheels over just being safe, I certainly won't. We've just had two seasons of "just being safe" and none of us cared for the experience very much.

I am assuming that you, like the majority of Pools fans, are expecting an improvement on last season. My assumption is based on your statement above where you say that safe to you means better than scrapping for survival on the last day.
Up to press we have not made any improvement in either our points tally or our position compared with last season.


I don't think I have read anywhere on this board where anybody has said that Turner needs to go purely based on last night's result.
Most people, myself included, are sticking to the facts surrounding Mr Turner. His record in this league is atrocious and until it improves, if ever, he is going to be subjected to criticism over it. I would dare argue that Turner's record in this league, should anyone care to analyse it, would show him to be one of the worst, if not THE worst, in the history of third tier football in this country.
If he improves, as you seem to believe he will, then I will come on here and heap praise and adulation on him. Until then I am facing facts as they are, not as I would wish them to be, and would strongly recommend you do the same.

Sorry, to be pedantic, but he didn't we were 4points clear when he left, Newell got us 14 points clear.

Whoops misread that, would delete my reply but as you've pointed out my error it will be here for proof. I read it as Turner took us 14 points clear , my apologies.

Derwent, you talk a great deal of sense. if we had a best newcomer award then you would deserve it.

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