All the slagging barker has been getting this season, and all the "but he only scores penalties" comments - well I wish he'd been there today. As soon as we get one without him playing it gets missed.

Getting seriously tedious now.

Maybe that's the intention.

Didn't see your hero step up to the mark though.

Sorry Chip, apparently we battered them for the whole of the second half. An equaliser then would have set us up nicely for another away win. Tranmeres third only came in stoppage time when we were chasing the game. I do agree though that the Barker / Porter combination should have been tried much more during the season.

for fooks sake get a grip the pair of you IF we had scored WHO KNOWS WHAT THE SCORE WOULD HAVE FINISHED
we missed the penalty and got beat
we werent there so we cant comment on who did what and who didnt
joel is a very good player when he wants to be

equally if he isnt interested then he can be like a man not there

on the pitch i would expect a experienced player like joel to pull rank on a whippersnapper like craddock though

but craddock was a sub

so why would a sub have been told to take penalties ahead of a more experienced player who had been on from the start i am a fan of joel but believe he should have accepted responsibility for taking the penalty

"either way for a bloke in china to suggest that porter lacked the bottle to take the penalty given the game was played in tranmere is plain daft."

You could only read something as classic as that on a messageboard!

Sorry Chip but this time your wrong, Danny Wilson was well pissed off with the referee in his interview with Radio Tees after the game, but he also gave credit to Craddock for stepping up to take the kick, but he went on to say he was disappointed some of the other players who'd been on the pitch for long and were fully warmed up didn't step up and take the responsibility.

Overall though he was very happy with the lads and disappointed that the referee favoured the home side.

Agreed

In the absence of Barker, I'm shocked Wilson didn't sort out who would take spot kicks. I would have thought the best man for the job would have been Ritchie.

I am also of the opinion that it is astonishing that the manager has indicated that there weren't any other takers for the kick, implying he had no nominated penalty taker. That is very amateurish.

What kind of pen would you be using Charles, a big chunky felt tip or one of those wee bookies pens???

What makes you think that mr chip ?
If we'd scored the penalty I think everyone in the ground was of the opinion we would have went on to win

Yoy'd have thought Joel could have stepped up and popped the pen in like wouldn't you after all if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have got it

Prophetic?

dont you know penalty,s dont count thats why barker is top scorer

It makes me better positioned to comment on how the game was going than you, it makes me better positioned to know Joel wasn't injured to stop him taking the penalty than you, it makes me better positioned to see that Craddock looked confident and immediately took the ball to claim the penalty than you, it makes me better positioned to see that no other player questioned it than you, it makes me better positioned to see that the players were playing for the club and the manager than you, it makes me better positioned to see that Danny Boy was as dissapointed as the rest of us and hasn't lost the dressing room than you and the penalty miss makes me realise how important a penalty taker is.

so i take it you had a good posistion then mr austinstad

Mr Austinstad obviously didn't have a better position than me. When Craddock grabbed the ball Porter was sat injured. The referee delayed the penalty whilst he checked on Porter who was hobbling.He was definitely hurt.
The result was a travesty mainly due to the SAME referee that we had at Rochdale. He was diabolical. I thought Wilson was going to break a blood vessel the way he got animated.
McCunnie made an awful back pass which let their player in. In trying to retrieve the situation he brought the guy down. Porter was brought down in the second half when in a goalscoring position resulting in our pen. The referee didn't even speak to the Tranmere lad.Why Craddock was allowed to bully the rest of the team I'll never know.HAS HE EVER TAKEN A PENALTY BEFORE AT LEAGUE LEVEL??????????????????????????????????????? Why the fuckalmighty was he allowed to take this one????????????????????????????????????
He missed the target completely. Now I'm not one to be vindictive or contribute to conspiracy theories , BUT HE IS A LOID .
Overall most of them played really well and deserved something from the game. Porter ( apart from winning the pen) was awful , as was Boland. Both of them gave the ball away time and time again. Boland once again demonstrated why he likes to pass sideways or backwards. Everytime he put the ball forward it went to the opposition , and Porter had one of his frustrating days. Controlling the ball and finding colleagues was not on his agenda today.
Having said that Boland , Porter and every man jack of our team worked their bollocks off.
Fans were brilliant.

At the time of the penalty, I can only assume that your dut had dropped over your eyes Mr Ticklehill, because Joel was not denied a goalscoring opportunity, he was probably going to run the ball out of play, but he was fouled in the box.
As for Porter limping and being injured, are you sure, or was it a case of don't look at me to take the penalty, he certainly wasn't injured or limping after we'd missed it.
Craddock bullying the rest of the team he picked the ball up, put it under his arm, walked to the spot and placed the ball, while the ref pratted about making sure no-one was an inch inside the box.
Don't you think these lads take penalties every day of the week and if someone had thought this looks a bit iffy they wouldn't have taken it off him, he looked confident, he struck it well he sent the goalie the wrong way but missed the target, think back 18 months to Joel, Strachan, Humps, Tinkler, and anyone else who tried before we got Barker.
These things happen it just sums our season up, they miss and get the rebound
Now I know you should hit the target, but he's not the first and won't be the last, but give the lad a chance, there were some people slagging him off before he got his first touch ffs

Missed the game ( and the commentary) today, but Barker said on PW last Tuesday
that he didn't know who the 'new' penalty taker was.
He said he would expect McKay to be the man to put himself forward.
So maybe we didn't have a nominated penalty taker on the pitch, when we got one.
As Chip says, sounds pretty un-professional, but if the cap fits !

Have you got another postage stamp chip. It appears there are two of them now.

What you on about Chip

I would have nominated a penalty taker

help me please i think im falling in love

This is an embarrassment.

Can we start supporting Hartlepool United again please and not Barker/Porter or Wilson in/out factions? it's a total joke. Fooking laughable point scoring on all parts.

We missed a penalty Brazil have missed penalties and East Stirling miss penalties that's just football.

Evening Mr Nobody, the point of the opening thread by Mr Geoff was to state how important a penalty taker is to the team and that as soon as we get one without our recognised penalty taker we miss it.
Mr Chip, turned it into a love in for Joel, the post had nothing whatsoever to do with Joel.

Now you better post Mr Jockthemonkey a private PM he needs to speak to you

EXACTLY....

exactly what

Oh yes we were!!

Nelson and McCunnie cost us the match, Not Craddock.

Did you get the milk train back then???

not the people involved in the original postings on this thread

Getting back to the subject of the penalty taker, allow me to confirm that Craddock took the ball decisively as soon as the ref pointed to the spot, and no one argued. And they had plenty of time to argue because it was a long time between the decision and the ref giving the go ahead to shoot.
And I didn't notice Wilson stomping up and down on the touchline shouting "give the fookah to Porter".
If I'd been in charge I would have asked Ben Clark or maybe Monkhouse to take it but who's to say they woldn't have missed either.
I did notice a worried look on Mr MadJohn's face mind when Craddock stepped up.

Craddock takes the penalties for Boro reserves which is why he took it yesterday. Joel could barely stand up after being hacked down so he was hardly likely to take it.

The players were excellent yesterday, I can't understand the criticism of Porter- he was crap first half admittedly but second half he caused no end of problems. There is also no way in gods earth that their player should have been booked nevermind sent off for the penalty.

The ref was crap but he got the big decisions right (just like he did at Rochdale).

The pitch would have been better for Barker yesterday and thats something Wilson should consider when we go down to Bristol in a few weeks. I certainly wouldn't play Mackay at Bristol after seeing what he was like yesterday. I'd have liked him to take the penalty, he surely must have taken them at Consett?

It was great to see Pools giving it a go yesterday, it would have been easy to have given up.

Also, Ronnie Moore said after the game that if we'd scored the penalty we would have gone onto win. I'm inclined to agree because Tranny were crap and half the team that came to the Vic yet we scored 3 past them that day!

Thank fook someone talks sense! Half of these people haven't even been to the match, yet can make some amazing visual conclusions from a shite radio broadcast

Because you were there , at Tranmere, weren't you Chip, weren't you, or were you at home , and because its much closer than China your opinion should be much more valid than Kev's , 'cos the way I see it you might as well have been in China too !!!!

As the topic originator I suggest you look again at what I said! I have not suggested that "this dominant team" be broken up ( although McKay certainly isn't the answer to all our problems) but what I did say was that all those who have criticised Barker for ONLY scoring penalties might like to think again. It still needs someone to put the ball in the net!

And I do have some objection to being called a Fookwit!

This thread reminds me of R*vals.

I would not play barker even it it meant that we never ever score a penalty again. We are a much better team without him and the current side has us playing football again and the fans enjoying watching the team. If we miss a few penalties because barker doesnt play then so be it. He is not up the this standard of football. end of

I'm not going to pronounce on Barker one way or the other but I do reckon the jury's still out Mackay and Craddock too. You're talking about enjoyment; well I can't say I got much enjoyment from watching either of those two on Saturday, although I'll accept Mackay probably had an off day.
For me, Porter and Monkhouse provided 80% of Pools' entertainment value and Sweeney most of the rest. Now, Humps was feeding Monkhouse all game long whereas Joel was going and getting the ball himself.
The question I ask is, if Barker had been playing would that have stopped happening?

When we were playing well at the start of the season with Barker in the team (e.g. Leeds away, Orient, Oldham etc.) was that when Monkhouse was also in there?

Did our shite performances coincide with Monky being out of the team and us not having the same balance down that side?

I can't be arsed checking the stats!

I cant believe I've wasted precious minutes reading this thread, apart from Dibbles 'PA' jibe mind - that was funny!

these PooieLooie/frankiesummat/austinallegro/jockthemonkey names are the same person though,right?!
if they aren't and are all mates then they're very boring, and totally desperate to be in the clique - oh aye it exists allright, the cool kids are in it and thats why we get regaled tales of pissing themselves cos they was pissed in plymouth in 1872 etc cos they wanna appear cool but we know they're not so - they can't get in the gang no sir

I was there near the front of the away end, and my reading is that Joel Porter was never going to take the penalty because he was hobbling around after the foul. Not that I recall him taking penalties in the last few years. Craddock looked confident, struck it well, and was 18 inches out. Stuff happens. But I'd rather have seen Ritchie H give it a wallop. I feel more sorry for our goalie who again saved the penalty (but not the rebound). I don't think he was responsible for any of the goals conceded.

On the subject of Danny Wilson's love child, if he was fit, it would have been a game suited to Barker because of the relatively poor pitch (worth lumping it up now and again) and the effectiveness of Rovers' centre backs - best part of their team, I thought. A bigger bloke would have given them a harder time. Not to mention scoring the penalty.

Craddock was worth a look because Foley and probably McKay are not going to make it. And Skippy might as well call it a day because DW obviously doesn't rate him. Not sure whether we didn't fancy Craddock or he didn't fancy us. He was not exactly first choice (unlike Godwin Antwi and Alan Thompson) which suggests the former at least as much as the latter. Let's clear the decks for the amazing return of .... Adam Boyd.

Someone pass me a postage stamp.....

And tear it in half first.....

Just corrected that for you.

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Mutley, I hope I'm wrong about Michael McKay and it is true that he hasn't played much, so a verdict now is harsh. But I base my verdict on what I have seen. He isn't remarkable in any department - pace, heading shooting, passing. Not at all effective on Saturday. Looks about the same as a certain E. Williams - good lad, tries hard, but doesn't have the quality of James Brown, and doesn't have the power of Ritchie Barker. When those two get fit, he'll be on the bench again.

Doesn't have pace

Fensy, I didn't say he had no pace - I said he was not remarkable in any department. Who did he outstrip on Saturday? When did he get free in the box or crossed the ball from the dead ball line? Joel can and just about did so on Saturday and won a penalty for his pains.