Yes be aggressive do not be bullied but two sendings off and several yellow cards what on earth is happening at the club?

I've read in two different accounts that, on top of the two reds, we have ammassed 22 or 25 yellows, depending on accuracy. That's a massive amount for just five games. Well be getting fined if it continues on top of the suspensions.
I'm beginning to think, because of Sarll's reputation, we might be getting targetted.
Even Mancini got one, within minutes of coming on.
The last thing we want is officials thinking pre match because they've got Hartlepool the game will be littered with cards.

Referees have gone ‘soft’ nowadays, if those tackles had been in the 70/80s a foul would have been awarded and possibly Hunter would have had a ‘talking too’ after the second offence, refs are card happy nowadays, the game has become totally a non contact game.

Totally agree Jamie Look at the fouls that happened on George Best game after game rarely a card given. And some of the tackles ( attempts at ending the man's career )
he somehow jumped over but the intent alone would be red now. Most straight reds are probably merited but most yellows on any players on any teams seem soft at best.

For some reason it appears that referees are dishing yellow cards out like confetti this season. Would love to know the figures compared with say last season across the National league. Forget the two for the sending off I am talking about the rest in a non dirty game.

According to the BBC match reports it's 2 reds and 16 yellows. They may have missed the odd one but there's no chance it's 20 plus. For comparison, our opponents picked up 15 yellow cards in those games.

It's the red cards that are the problem - both were for two bookable offences so it ought to be easy enough to cut out if our more physical players engage their brains after picking up a first yellow.

The softest ones are kicking the ball away, taking a shirt off and gobbin to the officials.
Eliminating those would be a good start, the shirt one doesn't really apply to us as we don't do it.
In fairness to the officials, I think they are following instructions from above and there does appear to be over zealous card waving in our league.
As for the quantity it does look high but I was quoting what I'd read.
The point still remains that unless we make an effort to reduce them, we will definitely suffer.

Can't argue with either sending off we've had this season, both totally senseless.
But I do think we're getting f*ck all from officials so far this season. Mani D is usually all but assaulted by 1 and sometimes 2 defenders every time he goes for a high ball but somehow none of the officials manage to spot it.
Why was Sloggett booked yesterday when the foul and follow up was 100% Gorman? Why was Wealdstones number 14 not booked at least when he swung a punch early in the first half right under the linos nose?

You were very clear about that - I didn't assume it was your opinion.

i cant see it changing - we are going to spend this season now with injuries to worry about and people being banned.
talk about making hard work for yourself jesus ! not ideal in 4 games we have had 10 men ! costing us points in the process yday. Its absolutely crap - id rather be soft as shite and loose most tackles if it means keeping 11 men on the pitch and winning the games.
DS has to change something and has to maybe tell the lads to calm it a bit - these refs now are all soft idiots and love the sound of their own whistle !

Eiphos with all due respect, We have been soft as shite(as you put it) for a number of seasons now, And kept 11 players on the pitch.
Did not help us win any more games though.

I'm not suggesting you had. You looked it up and corrected it. I have no problem with that. If I had a problem I would have answered your post directly. I think we are both on the same wavelength......far too many and could hurt us.

Watching Woking yesterday and before the sending off one of my sons said Woking look like we did last season.

Mani was close to having his shirt pulled off his back in the second half in their penalty area in the second half in front of the ref….Like you say, Gorman , the poison dwarf dropped to the ground at the corner and was pulling Sloggett down top of him and kept pulling him down while appealing to the ref he was being assaulted, it was kids comedy acting.

Partly down to tactics/clogging and partly down
To early season ‘cracking down’ which invariably gets fucked off after
a month or so
We do need to calm down a little with some of the tackles flying in especially in midfield

We wanted a team that isnt soft, now we cant stop getting bookings, referees in this league are ridiculous even our sending off on monday was ridiculously soft, stupid but still very very soft.

if he had blew up once gorman pushed him the situation would not have arisen where he had to caution both. thing is at our level some of these officials have had short careers in the game and are still learning the basics. then as derwent said they are following orders from the power above. they will not say sod them i,ll do it my way as to get to the standard they are at its something just not in their DNA. they,d go out dressed in a clowns outfit if they were told just to get on even further in the game as they have done since they wer earmarked for quick promotions.

some of the cautions were like the ones on mancini and sloggett because the ref managed it wrongly but hunter can have nothing to moan about as they were cautions at any level of football today. what happened years ago should be left years ago as it has no real impact on todays game. its the same as the so called soft penalty. if its a foul its a foul end of even though the punishment does not fit the original crime. its a change in the laws that are needed not the use of the present ones which is the problem.

The refs look at the players reaction when they are tackled, stay down hold your ankle, screw your face up etc, unfortunately the ref can’t have re run of the tackle so some times will determine the punishment by the players reaction.

Like I said earlier, some of their players went down like a cheap deckchair and had almost instantaneous recovery powers.

Against Wealdstone one of theirs went down near their dug out and his stream was easily heard in the Mill House stand, the ref rightly gave nothing regarding a foul but surely a booking for simulation should have been issued?
I find the non participation of linos very strange too, do refs instruct them that their only job is to flag for throw ins and offsides? They never ever seem to see anything else, mind some of them struggle just with throw ins and offsides anyway.

Yes agree the refs will be on the lookout for us.

refs do instruct them to what they want from them. thing is fans do not know this when they are having a pop at a lino for there non involvement. another change in their duties is needed where they are written in stone rather than a referees preferance. i,ve had the occasional bad one with me in games so i,d guess if a younger ref gets unlucky they might want to reduce what linesmen do to a minimum and live or die from their own decisions.