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Sounds a very intelligent bloke, no bull shit, I quite like him. Enjoyed the seagulls and police sirens too :D very evocative.


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Snowy wrote:
Nice to hear the opinion of a real expert.


Thats what i thought, Listening to someone who actually knows what they are talking about is refreshing.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Nice to hear the opinion of a real expert.


Thats what i thought, Listening to someone who actually knows what they are talking about is refreshing.

Was very interesting how he held back some of his more skillful players as subs…ie fight the battle for an hour then bring on the technical players to win it

Shows again how we desperately need more players to do that , we have no one to bring on going fwd to take advantage of a tired opponent, it has to change !


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Yep have to have a winger to bring on. Hoping Sloggett is that other midfielder who can create something and maybe get us up the pitch.

Also another striker wouldnt go a miss - even someone to compliment Mani. Still think our best 11 and formation is to come and will be found out once the dust settles


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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We are way under staffed and I question the backing

Sarll himself said you can judge how well prepared clubs are with how many loans are in there match day squad
Well smith and freeman on ‘short term deals’ are proof we were underprepared and having to throw in temporary solutions on the fly
Nothing that can’t be fixed with some proper permanent signings….if there is any money left in the kitty …

The problem is there are always injuries so the dust never settles…we could end up in March and people will still be hoping for a playoff push ‘when we finally get our first choice 11 on the pitch’


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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So no loan deals then?
Short term deals may well be basically try before you buy which isn't a bad option for either player or club. If the player wants more he'll have to prove he's worth it.
Personally I think there's scope to bring in mote from what Sarll has said and we have to trust that he knows what he's doing. It's not as if we've had an horrendous start.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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So no loan deals then?
Short term deals may well be basically try before you buy which isn't a bad option for either player or club. If the player wants more he'll have to prove he's worth it.
Personally I think there's scope to bring in mote from what Sarll has said and we have to trust that he knows what he's doing. It's not as if we've had an horrendous start.



It’s the same principle, you didn’t get the full time squad where it needed to be so relying on short term options….this was what Sarll was saying not me.


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Id rather have lads in on short term deals trying to get longer than short term loan signings as the loan player always knows no matter how bad they perform they have a job to go back too !

DS said he wanted another attacker in and another winger aswell as cover in the back line - only one of those has been signed (Freeman) since that statement 3 weeks ago


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Exactly, short term deals for experienced proven pros who haven't got a club but are trying to find one vs loanees who can just go through the motions knowing they've got a deal at their parent club. I'd take what's known rather than potential every time.
Also, better than giving someone a 2 year contract because we've got injuries then finding out they're shite.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !


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Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?


If he wants promotion this year then unfortunately yeah he probobly needs to have 20 or near that. Other clubs do it cant see why its impossible for us.

If we are building a squad to push in 2 to 3 years great take your time. Couple more injuries tommorow and we could be struggling against opposition we really should be beating in the next few weeks. We cant say we havent had enough time this season to have a squad ready. Its taken 1 week of the season to be forced into short term loans or contracts.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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loyal_fan wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !


If sarl had the money he would of had his squad in place. Im sure one of the first things he said he wants to get his team in place early, that soon changed, every manager we have had recently has struggled to get a squad in place or transfer windows not coming up to scratch so its not going to change now.

If sarl wants to blame himself for it fair enough, it will end up being on his shoulders.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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loyal_fan wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !


Sarll has unequivocally stated it is his doing that we haven't signed a full squad yet.

I quote 'no one has starved the Pools fans more of new signings than Darren Sarll'.


It is risky given the injuries we have, but fortunately the man who is responsible for on field results is the man making the final decision on recruitment.

I don't disagree that we need more players, but it would be a miracle if Sarll can get everything he needs in one window. He's had to accept two previously transfer listed players either starting or coming on as sub, not ideal.

This is a half baked Sarll squad, let's see how he develops it over time, my own view is the initial signs are good. Early days though but I'm now willing Sarll to be successful.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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Bosh85 wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !


Sarll has unequivocally stated it is his doing that we haven't signed a full squad yet.

I quote 'no one has starved the Pools fans more of new signings than Darren Sarll'.


It is risky given the injuries we have, but fortunately the man who is responsible for on field results is the man making the final decision on recruitment.

I don't disagree that we need more players, but it would be a miracle if Sarll can get everything he needs in one window. He's had to accept two previously transfer listed players either starting or coming on as sub, not ideal.

This is a half baked Sarll squad, let's see how he develops it over time, my own view is the initial signs are good. Early days though but I'm now willing Sarll to be successful.


Voice of reason Bosh85 :wink: I totally agree. What nobody appears to have noticed is every single player he has took forever to sign are all quality players in any reasonable fans eyes. He will in my opinion turn out to be a top class appointment but it annoys the hell out of me that some are trying by hook or crook to force the man's hand. Trust me you are all waisting your time. If he had lost the first two games or got 1 point I would have to agree on the urgency to sign some quickly but he has 4 F.......g points on the board from 6 and two clean sheets one of which was achieved with 10 men for 40 minutes. What the hell does he have to do to please these people.If they say they don't want rid of him but instead want to dictate who he signs and when he needs to why didn't they apply for the job. It really is wearing thin now and its time for everyone who loves the club to put up or F......g shut up. At least for a couple of bloody weeks minimum. Get a temporary job in a vineyard and ask the owner should you just fill up the baskets as quickly as possible with any grapes. He will warn you only once ( I did that when I was travelling around as a 19 yrs old with 2 friends living on farms vineyards etc ) to listen carefully and he told us to pick all good looking bunches and then take them inside and devide the very best from the rest. He must have thought these young English boys are stupid because in good English he repeated over and over that he must only have quality in one bin and the rest in the other. I asked what is the difference they all grapes and he lifted his eye brows and said I produce only the best wines for the biggest customers and the other wines go to small outlets.He showed us the difference and boy when you took a good luck at them there was a difference in quality. :wink: To me it's easy simply just let the manager manage and if it starts to go tits up you have every right to criticise but at least give the man a bit of respect he is not a mug. :wink:


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Leggie43 wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !


Sarll has unequivocally stated it is his doing that we haven't signed a full squad yet.

I quote 'no one has starved the Pools fans more of new signings than Darren Sarll'.


It is risky given the injuries we have, but fortunately the man who is responsible for on field results is the man making the final decision on recruitment.

I don't disagree that we need more players, but it would be a miracle if Sarll can get everything he needs in one window. He's had to accept two previously transfer listed players either starting or coming on as sub, not ideal.

This is a half baked Sarll squad, let's see how he develops it over time, my own view is the initial signs are good. Early days though but I'm now willing Sarll to be successful.


Voice of reason Bosh85 :wink: I totally agree. What nobody appears to have noticed is every single player he has took forever to sign are all quality players in any reasonable fans eyes. He will in my opinion turn out to be a top class appointment but it annoys the hell out of me that some are trying by hook or crook to force the man's hand. Trust me you are all waisting your time. If he had lost the first two games or got 1 point I would have to agree on the urgency to sign some quickly but he has 4 F.......g points on the board from 6 and two clean sheets one of which was achieved with 10 men for 40 minutes. What the hell does he have to do to please these people.If they say they don't want rid of him but instead want to dictate who he signs and when he needs to why didn't they apply for the job. It really is wearing thin now and its time for everyone who loves the club to put up or F......g shut up. At least for a couple of bloody weeks minimum. Get a temporary job in a vineyard and ask the owner should you just fill up the baskets as quickly as possible with any grapes. He will warn you only once ( I did that when I was travelling around as a 19 yrs old with 2 friends living on farms vineyards etc ) to listen carefully and he told us to pick all good looking bunches and then take them inside and devide the very best from the rest. He must have thought these young English boys are stupid because in good English he repeated over and over that he must only have quality in one bin and the rest in the other. I asked what is the difference they all grapes and he lifted his eye brows and said I produce only the best wines for the biggest customers and the other wines go to small outlets.He showed us the difference and boy when you took a good luck at them there was a difference in quality. :wink: To me it's easy simply just let the manager manage and if it starts to go tits up you have every right to criticise but at least give the man a bit of respect he is not a mug. :wink:


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loyal_fan wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !


Sarll has unequivocally stated it is his doing that we haven't signed a full squad yet.

I quote 'no one has starved the Pools fans more of new signings than Darren Sarll'.


It is risky given the injuries we have, but fortunately the man who is responsible for on field results is the man making the final decision on recruitment.

I don't disagree that we need more players, but it would be a miracle if Sarll can get everything he needs in one window. He's had to accept two previously transfer listed players either starting or coming on as sub, not ideal.

This is a half baked Sarll squad, let's see how he develops it over time, my own view is the initial signs are good. Early days though but I'm now willing Sarll to be successful.


Voice of reason Bosh85 :wink: I totally agree. What nobody appears to have noticed is every single player he has took forever to sign are all quality players in any reasonable fans eyes. He will in my opinion turn out to be a top class appointment but it annoys the hell out of me that some are trying by hook or crook to force the man's hand. Trust me you are all waisting your time. If he had lost the first two games or got 1 point I would have to agree on the urgency to sign some quickly but he has 4 F.......g points on the board from 6 and two clean sheets one of which was achieved with 10 men for 40 minutes. What the hell does he have to do to please these people.If they say they don't want rid of him but instead want to dictate who he signs and when he needs to why didn't they apply for the job. It really is wearing thin now and its time for everyone who loves the club to put up or F......g shut up. At least for a couple of bloody weeks minimum. Get a temporary job in a vineyard and ask the owner should you just fill up the baskets as quickly as possible with any grapes. He will warn you only once ( I did that when I was travelling around as a 19 yrs old with 2 friends living on farms vineyards etc ) to listen carefully and he told us to pick all good looking bunches and then take them inside and devide the very best from the rest. He must have thought these young English boys are stupid because in good English he repeated over and over that he must only have quality in one bin and the rest in the other. I asked what is the difference they all grapes and he lifted his eye brows and said I produce only the best wines for the biggest customers and the other wines go to small outlets.He showed us the difference and boy when you took a good luck at them there was a difference in quality. :wink: To me it's easy simply just let the manager manage and if it starts to go tits up you have every right to criticise but at least give the man a bit of respect he is not a mug. :wink:


Did the owner of the vineyard pay for fertilizer or leave him to shit around the vines to save money


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?


If he wants promotion this year then unfortunately yeah he probobly needs to have 20 or near that. Other clubs do it cant see why its impossible for us.

If we are building a squad to push in 2 to 3 years great take your time. Couple more injuries tommorow and we could be struggling against opposition we really should be beating in the next few weeks. We cant say we havent had enough time this season to have a squad ready. Its taken 1 week of the season to be forced into short term loans or contracts.


Don't think a 3 year plan is viable to keep 4000 + crowds.
So imagine the task of promotion has to be ASAP.


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loyal_fan wrote:
Bosh85 wrote:
Loyal are you really expecting Sarll to put together a full squad of 20 players, that align to his tactics and values in one transfer window?



Other teams have managed to sign a lot more players than us…not clear if that’s Sarll doing or a lack of backing from above…likely a bit of both
Sarll has said publicly it’s ’on him’ in which case it’s not unreasonable to point out him taking as much time as he is has left is threadbare at the start of the season and may lead us to dropping points early on….he will say it’s a trade off to make sure we get the right players….in which case tick fucking tock !

Calm down man, you ‘re stressing too much over a game…..you’re worrying far too much over something that will probably never happen.

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If we are building a squad to push in 2 to 3 years great take your time. Couple more injuries tommorow and we could be struggling against opposition we really should be beating in the next few weeks. We cant say we havent had enough time this season to have a squad ready. Its taken 1 week of the season to be forced into short term loans or contracts.


Don't think a 3 year plan is viable to keep 4000 + crowds.
So imagine the task of promotion has to be ASAP.[/quote]
a lot is up to how much patience fans have. last season was one of consolidation even with that good start. will most take another season of it to make a real push next season. thats going to be a real hard sell from the manager and owner. for me after last seasons finish with everything that went on a play off position is a real must even if thats as far as we get.


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Parachute payment runs out completely next year and we are forced to close our academy/allow any other team to take any of the players from it for nowt….so I think the waiting game is over


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I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.

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I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.



Yes I was saying for weeks the earlier we play you lot the better while you are still getting sorted, shame we couldn’t take full advantage


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loyal_fan wrote:
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I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.



Yes I was saying for weeks the earlier we play you lot the better while you are still getting sorted, shame we couldn’t take full advantage


Just exactly the same for them. Playing us before we get sorted :roll:
And we gave them a man extra for over 45mins.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Shrimper1906 wrote:
I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.



Yes I was saying for weeks the earlier we play you lot the better while you are still getting sorted, shame we couldn’t take full advantage


Just exactly the same for them. Playing us before we get sorted :roll:
And we gave them a man extra for over 45mins.

And we still couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo! Now waiting to see if we can get Kabonga Tshimanga over the line on loan. That would give the cows arse less chance I think.

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Shrimper1906 wrote:
I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.


Good luck for the rest of the season. Proper club proper fans :wink:


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Waterfall "Hey ref you dropped a bollock there, it's our throw".

1) Ref replies "Thanks Luke, I wish there were more helpful skippers like you. Have the throw in and I'll buy you a pint after the game".

or

2) Ref replies "You're a mouthy git, have a yellow card".

Unfortunately we live in the real world!

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dstanley5 wrote:
Waterfall "Hey ref you dropped a bollock there, it's our throw".

1) Ref replies "Thanks Luke, I wish there were more helpful skippers like you. Have the throw in and I'll buy you a pint after the game".

or

2) Ref replies "You're a mouthy git, have a yellow card".

Unfortunately we live in the real world!


Real World what's that :laugh:


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Leggie43 wrote:
dstanley5 wrote:
Waterfall "Hey ref you dropped a bollock there, it's our throw".

1) Ref replies "Thanks Luke, I wish there were more helpful skippers like you. Have the throw in and I'll buy you a pint after the game".

or

2) Ref replies "You're a mouthy git, have a yellow card".

Unfortunately we live in the real world!


Real World what's that :laugh:


The one where referees are in charge, irrespective of ability, and can dish out cards inconsistently.

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Shrimper1906 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Shrimper1906 wrote:
I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.



Yes I was saying for weeks the earlier we play you lot the better while you are still getting sorted, shame we couldn’t take full advantage


Just exactly the same for them. Playing us before we get sorted :roll:
And we gave them a man extra for over 45mins.

And we still couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo! Now waiting to see if we can get Kabonga Tshimanga over the line on loan. That would give the cows arse less chance I think.


Not sure about his attitude, There again look at our new forward.
Lets hope we will be playing each other in Lge2 next season.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:02 pm 
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Grayhoundend wrote:
Shrimper1906 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
Shrimper1906 wrote:
I said on Saturday that we needed reinforcements in midfield if we are to make an impact this season, and then, as if by magic, we're just signed George Moncur on a season long loan from Borient. Of no use to you guys but we are seriously happy with that. Should be like having a fit Mancini in the Shrimpers engine room.



Yes I was saying for weeks the earlier we play you lot the better while you are still getting sorted, shame we couldn’t take full advantage


Just exactly the same for them. Playing us before we get sorted :roll:
And we gave them a man extra for over 45mins.

And we still couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo! Now waiting to see if we can get Kabonga Tshimanga over the line on loan. That would give the cows arse less chance I think.


Not sure about his attitude, There again look at our new forward.
Lets hope we will be playing each other in Lge2 next season.


That would be really nice wouldn't it? (apart from the 550 mile round trip for the both of us obviously). There's always a lot of talk about clubs like ours being too good/big (delete as appropriate) for the National League, but were all still here, probably because we deserve to be for the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Southend
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:19 pm 
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Halifax, York, Rochdale, Aldershot, Oldham all in the same boat.


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 Post subject: Re: Southend
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PTID wrote:
Halifax, York, Rochdale, Aldershot, Oldham all in the same boat.


I would remove Halifax from that list, Otherwise correct.


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