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Senior back to Barnet - right before we play them at the weekend.

Tactics the lot going with it....

I wasnt always an admirer of getting loan players from opposition from the same league. I honestly thought Senior came from Burton Albion and not Barnet - hence why he wasnt very good then !

Hopefully we see some swift movement to bring in another and also a RB !


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. Didn’t realise he was only here for one month but I won’t lose any sleep over him going back.


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He wouldn't have played against Barnet regardless. He was an unused sub for them against us in the first game of the season.


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On the bench tonight against Chesterfield. Nailed on to come off the bench on Saturday and play great and of course score. :roll:


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Nothing against the lad but not sure he is the answer

Is khan on loan or permanent? Hopefully loan as he is never fit


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He was hardly a loss going back, was he here to just to get fit….?
Gone and definitely forgotten.

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Wont be missed, badly at fault for Solihulls second goal on Saturday


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Based on what he's shown for us he's out of his depth in NL.


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in 12 months time he,ll just be a quiz question.


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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.


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On the bench tonight against Chesterfield. Nailed on to come off the bench on Saturday and play great and of course score. :roll:


More likely to be Kabamba to score against his former club. I'm not a betting man but if I was it would worth a punt.


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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.

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On the bench tonight against Chesterfield. Nailed on to come off the bench on Saturday and play great and of course score. :roll:


More likely to be Kabamba to score against his former club. I'm not a betting man but if I was it would worth a punt.


He seems to be injured - hope that continues for another week!


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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.

exactly. more you sign then more will get through the net. then its also a good job askey didn,t sign him, the new sick note khan or even the lad from oldham then the knives would really be out.


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According to Barnet fans, Their team is totally depleted with injuries.
More or less reserves last night.


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According to Barnet fans, Their team is totally depleted with injuries.
More or less reserves last night.

hope they picked up a few more then to even things out on saturday.


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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.


I would accept if he was a young lad but he is 26 years old, since being released by Colchester in 2021 he has played around 30 games for 4 different clubs.
Not a court martial but who identified him and for what reason did Pools sign him, if it was during Askey time he would have been hung out to dry but because it’s super Kev nought was said.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.


I would accept if he was a young lad but he is 26 years old, since being released by Colchester in 2021 he has played around 30 games for 4 different clubs.
Not a court martial but who identified him and for what reason did Pools sign him, if it was during Askey time he would have been hung out to dry but because it’s super Kev nought was said.

If someone had to be ceremonially bollocked every time a loan signing disappointed, we’d be flooded with witch hunts for this season alone..under Askey.
I take it you don’t really approve of our new manager.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.


I would accept if he was a young lad but he is 26 years old, since being released by Colchester in 2021 he has played around 30 games for 4 different clubs.
Not a court martial but who identified him and for what reason did Pools sign him, if it was during Askey time he would have been hung out to dry but because it’s super Kev nought was said.

you mean that askey who brought in mannyd and mancini to the club or his predisesor who signed dan dodds. everything is not all black and white in what managers do or fail to do. super kev will also make his own mistakes which i,d guess will be mentioned more after the honeymoon period is over or the first defeat at the vic. he,d better enjoy things now as they will not last forever.


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I take it you don’t really approve of our new manager.

for me you do not need to like them if they are doing a good job for pools. at the moment KP seems to be doing a much better job than askey did and that is enough for me. as people i preferred askey but its not a popularity contest as i doubt the majority woul ever meet either in the flesh away from football.


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Snowy wrote:
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Snowy wrote:
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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.


I would accept if he was a young lad but he is 26 years old, since being released by Colchester in 2021 he has played around 30 games for 4 different clubs.
Not a court martial but who identified him and for what reason did Pools sign him, if it was during Askey time he would have been hung out to dry but because it’s super Kev nought was said.

If someone had to be ceremonially bollocked every time a loan signing disappointed, we’d be flooded with witch hunts for this season alone..under Askey.
I take it you don’t really approve of our new manager.


Managers nowadays rely on recruitment people, not sure if Pools have one, they don’t travel all over the country watching games like the old days. he was probably recommended Senior by one of them.
I certainly approve of the new manager as he realised very quickly Senior wasn’t going to make any improvements to the current squad and sent him on his way.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Questions should be asked who identified him, it would appear a waste of a months salary.

Then what, a Court Martial…? Shit happens, sometimes duff players get through the net.


I would accept if he was a young lad but he is 26 years old, since being released by Colchester in 2021 he has played around 30 games for 4 different clubs.
Not a court martial but who identified him and for what reason did Pools sign him, if it was during Askey time he would have been hung out to dry but because it’s super Kev nought was said.

If someone had to be ceremonially bollocked every time a loan signing disappointed, we’d be flooded with witch hunts for this season alone..under Askey.
I take it you don’t really approve of our new manager.


Managers nowadays rely on recruitment people, not sure if Pools have one, they don’t travel all over the country watching games like the old days. he was probably recommended Senior by one of them.
I certainly approve of the new manager as he realised very quickly Senior wasn’t going to make any improvements to the current squad and sent him on his way.

Yes, we used to have scouts.
So Senior was not ‘up to standard’……and had to go, we had a ‘test drive’ and returned him to sender. So what was the problem? It happens all the time, no good ragging off the person who brought him in, it’s what clubs do.
Why did you refer to KP as ‘superkev’ ….and suggested he got preferential treatment over Askey.

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There is Joe Monks who is Head of Football Operations what ever that means and Ben Daniel First Team Analyst, no idea what he does. Looking on the OS there are 10 coaching staff and 1 woman coach for the women’s team. Club staff, there are 16, that’s a fair old wage bill before even starting to pay the players salaries even some will be part time,no mention of a scout.


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Super Kev Averaging 2 pts per game since he took over.
Suppose that's super status compared to the managers between DC n KP.
Carry that into next season with the added benefit that August's squad will me mainly his due to the out of contract players.
Not impossible for that new team to be in league two.
Teams around us not exactly makeing use of them games in hand.
Hope Hope Hope.
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There is Joe Monks who is Head of Football Operations what ever that means and Ben Daniel First Team Analyst, no idea what he does. Looking on the OS there are 10 coaching staff and 1 woman coach for the women’s team. Club staff, there are 16, that’s a fair old wage bill before even starting to pay the players salaries even some will be part time,no mention of a scout.


So a random loan signing that never worked out wants you to have a ‘ Court of Enquiry’.
Get real, if you applied that logic no one would dare make a move unless it was nailed certainty to work. :roll:
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Snowy wrote:
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There is Joe Monks who is Head of Football Operations what ever that means and Ben Daniel First Team Analyst, no idea what he does. Looking on the OS there are 10 coaching staff and 1 woman coach for the women’s team. Club staff, there are 16, that’s a fair old wage bill before even starting to pay the players salaries even some will be part time,no mention of a scout.


So a random loan signing that never worked out wants you to have a ‘ Court of Enquiry’.
Get real, if you applied that logic no one would dare make a move unless it was nailed certainty to work. :roll:
If you win the lottery don’t buy a football club …or anything where a mistake brings dire consequences.


No one is asking for a public enquiry or a public flogging Snowy just asking who recommended Senior, had he been training with Pools so they could run the rule over him. I remember Mancini was training with Pools for a few weeks before he signed on.
Since leaving Colchester in 2021 Senior was with 3 different clubs plus 1 loan spell so if he had been decent why did none of those clubs keep hold of him ?


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Since leaving Colchester in 2021 Senior was with 3 different clubs plus 1 loan spell so if he had been decent why did none of those clubs keep hold of him ?

its just the system with clubs living in hope he,ll come off and get some form he once had. even we have done that as mancini was a gamble and manny d must be having one of the best seasons he has had in the game. it might be hard to think he could have come off for us but he could have done an whoever recommended him would become a hero.


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Maybe KP said to Joe Monks "I want a wide player with pace for next weekend" and Monks came back with a list of who was available within our budget and they made their choice. I don't recall much criticism after his 1st appearance and most expected him to get better with games, unfortunately he didn't and he's gone no harm done - unlike the hurried 2 year deals handed to Hartleys Heroes eh?
We've had good and bad loan players since the year dot and that'll never change.


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Maybe KP said to Joe Monks "I want a wide player with pace for next weekend" and Monks came back with a list of who was available within our budget and they made their choice. I don't recall much criticism after his 1st appearance and most expected him to get better with games, unfortunately he didn't and he's gone no harm done - unlike the hurried 2 year deals handed to Hartleys Heroes eh?
We've had good and bad loan players since the year dot and that'll never change.

I think if he'd stayed as a bench option everyone would have a different opinion. Lots of pace, not a lot of end product but could still make things happen, set up Mani's goal against York by putting in a ball that their keeper spilled, terrified Bromleys defence and had a hand in the consolation against Solihull (ignoring his contribution to their second), not a bad return but needed more technical ability to be starting games.


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Maybe KP said to Joe Monks "I want a wide player with pace for next weekend" and Monks came back with a list of who was available within our budget and they made their choice. I don't recall much criticism after his 1st appearance and most expected him to get better with games, unfortunately he didn't and he's gone no harm done - unlike the hurried 2 year deals handed to Hartleys Heroes eh?
We've had good and bad loan players since the year dot and that'll never change.

exactly and its the way of football fans who remember the bad ones more than the good ones as in their eyes the latter is expected.


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Im sure Joe did a bit of background on the lad and KP may have even known of him already...

he wasnt the best nor the worst - even under DC we saw an absolute shocker of loan signings come in. Senior id imagine with a bit of game time and learning his trade in the league below would probably be a good asset to a mid table side in this division.

Gamble with any loan player but we did the right thing in only handing him a months trial - KP seen that he wasnt good enough and on he goes. Great work from the gaffer long may that continue. Because we know now that when he does spot or get it right he will do his best to keep the player or sign him up ! Seems Raj is on board with the KP vision which is also benefiting us just now !

Hopefully we see a RB a CM or another winger in before the weekend


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thought we would have had a RB before now.


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As I keep saying if you get two or three success out of about five or six free/loan signings you are doing well. This applies to most lower league clubs.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
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There is Joe Monks who is Head of Football Operations what ever that means and Ben Daniel First Team Analyst, no idea what he does. Looking on the OS there are 10 coaching staff and 1 woman coach for the women’s team. Club staff, there are 16, that’s a fair old wage bill before even starting to pay the players salaries even some will be part time,no mention of a scout.


So a random loan signing that never worked out wants you to have a ‘ Court of Enquiry’.
Get real, if you applied that logic no one would dare make a move unless it was nailed certainty to work. :roll:
If you win the lottery don’t buy a football club …or anything where a mistake brings dire consequences.


No one is asking for a public enquiry or a public flogging Snowy just asking who recommended Senior, had he been training with Pools so they could run the rule over him.


So if a name appeared, then what?

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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
There is Joe Monks who is Head of Football Operations what ever that means and Ben Daniel First Team Analyst, no idea what he does. Looking on the OS there are 10 coaching staff and 1 woman coach for the women’s team. Club staff, there are 16, that’s a fair old wage bill before even starting to pay the players salaries even some will be part time,no mention of a scout.


So a random loan signing that never worked out wants you to have a ‘ Court of Enquiry’.
Get real, if you applied that logic no one would dare make a move unless it was nailed certainty to work. :roll:
If you win the lottery don’t buy a football club …or anything where a mistake brings dire consequences.


No one is asking for a public enquiry or a public flogging Snowy just asking who recommended Senior, had he been training with Pools so they could run the rule over him.


So if a name appeared, then what?


If the same person no name required recommended another player you would be asking questions, in my days people in general were employed on recommendations not CVs, anyone can make a CV look good.If a recommendation wasn’t up to it you would think twice about any further recommendations from the same person.


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If the same person no name required recommended another player you would be asking questions, in my days people in general were employed on recommendations not CVs, anyone can make a CV look good.If a recommendation wasn’t up to it you would think twice about any further recommendations from the same person.

just need to look at the CV of non league players below our level. most of em have an ex league club on them even though that might only have been an acadamy. my lad was told when he tried getting trials that he hadn,t a cat in hells chance of getting one in the league or the part time paid scene without a league club acadamy on his CV. he finished last season though signing for one and playing every game and he didn,t realise how easy it was as if they tried to make out it was difficult to keep a type of closed shop going.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
There is Joe Monks who is Head of Football Operations what ever that means and Ben Daniel First Team Analyst, no idea what he does. Looking on the OS there are 10 coaching staff and 1 woman coach for the women’s team. Club staff, there are 16, that’s a fair old wage bill before even starting to pay the players salaries even some will be part time,no mention of a scout.


So a random loan signing that never worked out wants you to have a ‘ Court of Enquiry’.
Get real, if you applied that logic no one would dare make a move unless it was nailed certainty to work. :roll:
If you win the lottery don’t buy a football club …or anything where a mistake brings dire consequences.


No one is asking for a public enquiry or a public flogging Snowy just asking who recommended Senior, had he been training with Pools so they could run the rule over him.


So if a name appeared, then what?


If the same person no name required recommended another player you would be asking questions, in my days people in general were employed on recommendations not CVs, anyone can make a CV look good.If a recommendation wasn’t up to it you would think twice about any further recommendations from the same person.

It’s a football club, not Aardvark Welding and Fabrication….different ball game.
You are advocating every signing must be a good signing or else!
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think he was saying people got employed more by reputation than what they can put down on a CV. Used to be same with players who all had some reputations after a few years in the game. You had a good idea what you were getting if you signed say Billy Ayers, it was a case of wanting that type or not and if they could do a job for the side and fit in.


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think he was saying people got employed more by reputation than what they can put down on a CV. Used to be same with players who all had some reputations after a few years in the game. You had a good idea what you were getting if you signed say Billy Ayers, it was a case of wanting that type or not and if they could do a job for the side and fit in.

But it’s always a gamble signing any player and a whole series of events can affect a players performance from getting on with the manager to your domestic arrangements…. It’s never just the footballer.

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think he was saying people got employed more by reputation than what they can put down on a CV. Used to be same with players who all had some reputations after a few years in the game. You had a good idea what you were getting if you signed say Billy Ayers, it was a case of wanting that type or not and if they could do a job for the side and fit in.

But it’s always a gamble signing any player and a whole series of events can affect a players performance from getting on with the manager to your domestic arrangements…. It’s never just the footballer.

can say the same if you are a bus driver or a welder. you cannot get on with your boss and you also can fall out with your wife or get her pregnant by accident changing your life styles. it should be a bit easier now for footballers as there is not the need to move house as it once was to near the town you played for.


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