Post match Askey

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3928

It was quite obvious Saturday that Zak Johnstone was horribly exposed as there was nothing in front of him to help him out even though we had 6 in midfield!

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

derwent wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

It is constantly been stated by JA that he gives out instructions which the players apparently take no notice of.
The only occasions I've heard him speak are his pre and post match interviews which are highly repetitive and frankly boring.
I got to wondering if that is how he communicates to his players and, because of the boredom he generates, they switch off and therefore don't grasp what he is saying half the time.
Does he actually impress anybody on here cos he certainly doesn't impress me.
Most of us could actually give a good account of what he's going to say before he says it.
Are the players, in any way shape or form, inspired by the man.
Just looking at it from a different angle. He continuously bleats on about working on the defensive frailties without success so why doesn't he adopt a different approach because his current one sure is letting him down.
I mean he recognises the threat of Michael Cheek and puts a man on him and within five minutes Cheek has the freedom of the penalty area and picks his spot after his marker has gone AWOL. If the players can't understand something as basic as that then any sort of complicated tactics will go in one ear and out the next.

Maybe some of our players are just thick as shit. The marking for that first goal was a disgrace. I doubt this would of happened if we had a liddle or someone with experience time and time again its happening.

Joe Mattock is supposed to be experienced, played in the championship with three different clubs. Liddle didn't as far as I know. How clever have you got to be to understand your man marking job. Whoever got the job of marking Cheek went missing within the first five minutes so maybe he just forgot.

Can you imagine DC being interviewed and coming out with the "they're not listening to me" crap week in and week out. JA has to find a way of getting his message across, it's as simple as that. We can't afford to sack him so we have to find a way of getting him to realise it's happening time and time again as you put it. Everyone else can see it so what's stopping him. Maybe you should have a word with him.

I dont think he needs anyone telling him he is telling us.

Btw i dont think him agreeing to play on at 2 nil down was his smartest move, when the floodlight was out, im not sure bromley would of agreed if it was the other way round.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

It seems to me that the players do what they like and when they like and this is borne out from the fact that the manager freely and regularly admits this is the case when he bemoans the fact that his instructions are being ignored and admits also that no matter what he does it has none or very little impact when it comes to defending.
Until this situation is addressed and rectified I can't see much improvement until everyone is fit, stays fit and therefore gives the manager more options and competition for team and tactic selection.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

It is constantly been stated by JA that he gives out instructions which the players apparently take no notice of.
The only occasions I've heard him speak are his pre and post match interviews which are highly repetitive and frankly boring.
I got to wondering if that is how he communicates to his players and, because of the boredom he generates, they switch off and therefore don't grasp what he is saying half the time.
Does he actually impress anybody on here cos he certainly doesn't impress me.
Most of us could actually give a good account of what he's going to say before he says it.
Are the players, in any way shape or form, inspired by the man.
Just looking at it from a different angle. He continuously bleats on about working on the defensive frailties without success so why doesn't he adopt a different approach because his current one sure is letting him down.
I mean he recognises the threat of Michael Cheek and puts a man on him and within five minutes Cheek has the freedom of the penalty area and picks his spot after his marker has gone AWOL. If the players can't understand something as basic as that then any sort of complicated tactics will go in one ear and out the next.

Maybe some of our players are just thick as shit. The marking for that first goal was a disgrace. I doubt this would of happened if we had a liddle or someone with experience time and time again its happening.

Joe Mattock is supposed to be experienced, played in the championship with three different clubs. Liddle didn't as far as I know. How clever have you got to be to understand your man marking job. Whoever got the job of marking Cheek went missing within the first five minutes so maybe he just forgot.

Can you imagine DC being interviewed and coming out with the "they're not listening to me" crap week in and week out. JA has to find a way of getting his message across, it's as simple as that. We can't afford to sack him so we have to find a way of getting him to realise it's happening time and time again as you put it. Everyone else can see it so what's stopping him. Maybe you should have a word with him.

I dont think he needs anyone telling him he is telling us.

Btw i dont think him agreeing to play on at 2 nil down was his smartest move, when the floodlight was out, im not sure bromley would of agreed if it was the other way round.

I wish he would tell us what he intends to do about it.

I was amazed when it was announced that both managers were keen to play on.
Some of JA's decisions leave me scratching my head in disbelief.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Im talking about bringing 2 defenders in on loan or until the end of the season, if he doesnt thats his choice probobly end up in another league if we dont. Your talking about advocating spending well over 100 k to get a new manager in with exactly the same side or do you think raj will then fund players for another manager? With no guarantees a new manager would be able to do anything better with what he has got. Totally contradicting what you keep having a go at others for.

If id of said lets spend 100 k on new players you and a few others would of said what planet are you on yet you are now advocating this for managers.

Bring two defenders in eh? Would you trust Askey to get the right people?

Finally you’ve actually expressed a figure for the first time.
I’m not contradicting myself at all, I’m going for the financially sound option, get rid of the manager …..or the team, do the maths.
But I’m afraid something has to change, we’re in a spiral of descent and no one’s piloting the plane.
Odd to see you defending the status quo though, a bit like a cat doing a back somersault in a litter tray.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3928

The strange thing for me was that if the failure interfered with the spectacle for paying fans by the rules it should have been abandoned. I was on the Millhouse side and that quarter of the pitch was in darkness and their shirts made them blend into the background, god knows what it was like for the fans in the furthest corner.
Can you imagine Alex Ferguson (the consummate gamesmanship professional) agreeing to play on at 2 nil down.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

PTID wrote:

The strange thing for me was that if the failure interfered with the spectacle for paying fans by the rules it should have been abandoned. I was on the Millhouse side and that quarter of the pitch was in darkness and their shirts made them blend into the background, god knows what it was like for the fans in the furthest corner.
Can you imagine Alex Ferguson (the consummate gamesmanship professional) agreeing to play on at 2 nil down.

That decision was a sign of illogical behaviour, 2-0 down to a team who were bound to score more goals was a strong indicator of time for a tactical move and reset the score afresh at a later date….. head shakingly stupid .

Johnjo1 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:52 pm **Posts:** 1625

Askey keeps talking about getting the right players and being better than what we have. Well when you look at the loan players he has brought in the mind boggles.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

Johnjo1 wrote:

Askey keeps talking about getting the right players and being better than what we have. Well when you look at the loan players he has brought in the mind boggles.

Maybe if he had signed fewer but better players it might have been a better strategy, but I now doubt it would have made any difference whatsoever.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3928

Haven't the vast majority played for him before, so he should know what he's getting.
I can't understand why he didn't try to build a squad that fits his preferred 433 set up.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

Snowy wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Im talking about bringing 2 defenders in on loan or until the end of the season, if he doesnt thats his choice probobly end up in another league if we dont. Your talking about advocating spending well over 100 k to get a new manager in with exactly the same side or do you think raj will then fund players for another manager? With no guarantees a new manager would be able to do anything better with what he has got. Totally contradicting what you keep having a go at others for.

If id of said lets spend 100 k on new players you and a few others would of said what planet are you on yet you are now advocating this for managers.

Bring two defenders in eh? Would you trust Askey to get the right people?

Finally you’ve actually expressed a figure for the first time.
I’m not contradicting myself at all, I’m going for the financially sound option, get rid of the manager …..or the team, do the maths.
But I’m afraid something has to change, we’re in a spiral of descent and no one’s piloting the plane.
Odd to see you defending the status quo though, a bit like a cat doing a back somersault in a litter tray.

I only said 100 k because you would think askey being one of the top earners at pools with being manager, must be on a minimum 1k a week, no i wouldnt let him spend 100k on defenders im suggesting he brings in 2 defenders of a bit better quality than say a york player who isnt getting a game who we recently brought in. What you are suggesting is immediately blowing 100k plus on sacking askey, thats ridiculous we all know the club cant afford it or he will probobly of already been sacked by raj.

The only way askey is going to go is if he reaches an agreement with pools or walks. What your wanting would cripple the next owners or raj along the way. You have gone on about fans spending rajs money yet you are now the want wanting to blow the most with one quickfire decision.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

derwent wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

It is constantly been stated by JA that he gives out instructions which the players apparently take no notice of.
The only occasions I've heard him speak are his pre and post match interviews which are highly repetitive and frankly boring.
I got to wondering if that is how he communicates to his players and, because of the boredom he generates, they switch off and therefore don't grasp what he is saying half the time.
Does he actually impress anybody on here cos he certainly doesn't impress me.
Most of us could actually give a good account of what he's going to say before he says it.
Are the players, in any way shape or form, inspired by the man.
Just looking at it from a different angle. He continuously bleats on about working on the defensive frailties without success so why doesn't he adopt a different approach because his current one sure is letting him down.
I mean he recognises the threat of Michael Cheek and puts a man on him and within five minutes Cheek has the freedom of the penalty area and picks his spot after his marker has gone AWOL. If the players can't understand something as basic as that then any sort of complicated tactics will go in one ear and out the next.

Maybe some of our players are just thick as shit. The marking for that first goal was a disgrace. I doubt this would of happened if we had a liddle or someone with experience time and time again its happening.

Joe Mattock is supposed to be experienced, played in the championship with three different clubs. Liddle didn't as far as I know. How clever have you got to be to understand your man marking job. Whoever got the job of marking Cheek went missing within the first five minutes so maybe he just forgot.

Can you imagine DC being interviewed and coming out with the "they're not listening to me" crap week in and week out. JA has to find a way of getting his message across, it's as simple as that. We can't afford to sack him so we have to find a way of getting him to realise it's happening time and time again as you put it. Everyone else can see it so what's stopping him. Maybe you should have a word with him.

I dont think he needs anyone telling him he is telling us.

Btw i dont think him agreeing to play on at 2 nil down was his smartest move, when the floodlight was out, im not sure bromley would of agreed if it was the other way round.

I wish he would tell us what he intends to do about it.

I was amazed when it was announced that both managers were keen to play on.
Some of JA's decisions leave me scratching my head in disbelief.

It was a crazy decision, what exactly would we have got out of that game playing on? Id be shocked if any other club in the land would of done what we did on saturday, strange move is not the word.

Tell you what bromley come back in april when mancini is fit and we take our chances then, anything could of happened on another day.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

There's quite a few things I don't understand. I'm beginning to think he has given up/lost interest and is just taking the wage like the players. After all he can't lose.
Then at the end of the season he has a clear out probably in NLN, brings in new players and has a go at promotion.
I know that sounds daft but how else can it end. Why should he bust a gut if no one else will.
The club is for sale, the owner is keeping it ticking over until he is bought out or forced out, the players can't be arsed, the manager has admitted he can't control the players, that only leaves the coaching staff and us.
The Trust have taken on the task of drumming up alternatives which is a positive but only if they succeed in getting collective interest.
Have I missed anything out???

ZNB12 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:50 pm **Posts:** 1121

I personally don't think Mancini will make a difference in this squad now. He'll run around and create chance after chance, just to get beat by poor defensive players.

Unfortunately Askey has lost the plot in my opinion and going through the motions or trying to get to January to sign some decent defence from a league two club, but can't see that happening deep down.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Im talking about bringing 2 defenders in on loan or until the end of the season, if he doesnt thats his choice probobly end up in another league if we dont. Your talking about advocating spending well over 100 k to get a new manager in with exactly the same side or do you think raj will then fund players for another manager? With no guarantees a new manager would be able to do anything better with what he has got. Totally contradicting what you keep having a go at others for.

If id of said lets spend 100 k on new players you and a few others would of said what planet are you on yet you are now advocating this for managers.

Bring two defenders in eh? Would you trust Askey to get the right people?

Finally you’ve actually expressed a figure for the first time.
I’m not contradicting myself at all, I’m going for the financially sound option, get rid of the manager …..or the team, do the maths.
But I’m afraid something has to change, we’re in a spiral of descent and no one’s piloting the plane.
Odd to see you defending the status quo though, a bit like a cat doing a back somersault in a litter tray.

I only said 100 k because you would think askey being one of the top earners at pools with being manager, must be on a minimum 1k a week, no i wouldnt let him spend 100k on defenders im suggesting he brings in 2 defenders of a bit better quality than say a york player who isnt getting a game who we recently brought in. What you are suggesting is immediately blowing 100k plus on sacking askey, thats ridiculous we all know the club cant afford it or he will probobly of already been sacked by raj.

The only way askey is going to go is if he reaches an agreement with pools or walks. What your wanting would cripple the next owners or raj along the way. You have gone on about fans spending rajs money yet you are now the want wanting to blow the most with one quickfire decision.

Are you feeling well, is this the person who has made an art form of telling the club to spend more money on better players on a daily basis for several years now, are you being held hostage? After DC left you were frantic because we didn’t try to out bid a multi millionaire for his services…. This is truly disjointed.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch …I said what I would do so with the proviso I was expressing my opinion and wouldn’t advocate spending the money as I had no idea of the financial implications so any proposal was merely a speculation on my part.
The Devils in the detail…..however I am fascinated at you suddenly imploring financial prudence for the club after carpet bombing this board with demands for the club to not just loosen the purse strings but look down the back of the couch for loose change to spend…….but my post has served it’s purpose :animals-chickencatch:

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5380

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

I was amazed when it was announced that both managers were keen to play on.
Some of JA's decisions leave me scratching my head in disbelief.

It was a crazy decision, what exactly would we have got out of that game playing on? Id be shocked if any other club in the land would of done what we did on saturday, strange move is not the word.

Well, 3,500 fans who were at the game would have been pissed off, myself included. It's pretty obvious one or two others who have commented on this aspect of the game weren't there.

The overall level of light wasn't that bad at all - I've watched plenty of games in fog or misty conditions that were far worse. Yes, we were getting beat, by 2 goals not 4 or 5, and nobody had given up hope of turning it around. The few boos at half time were nothing like as bad as after some really shite first half performances this season.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5380

derwent wrote:

There's quite a few things I don't understand. I'm beginning to think he has given up/lost interest and is just taking the wage like the players. After all he can't lose.
Then at the end of the season he has a clear out probably in NLN, brings in new players and has a go at promotion.
I know that sounds daft but how else can it end.

I don't think it sounds daft. Ridiculously far fetched is the phrase you were looking for.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Flying Hogans wrote:

derwent wrote:

There's quite a few things I don't understand. I'm beginning to think he has given up/lost interest and is just taking the wage like the players. After all he can't lose.
Then at the end of the season he has a clear out probably in NLN, brings in new players and has a go at promotion.
I know that sounds daft but how else can it end.

I don't think it sounds daft. Ridiculously far fetched is the phrase you were looking for.

I'm not as sure that it is as ridiculously far fetched as you obviously think it is but we will see.
He is coming across to me as being pissed off to say the least and I doubt very much that he will walk with his contract hardly dented, unless he is well heeled or has something else lined up. All he can really do is see the season out in the hope that he can keep us in this division and then start again. I don't think he'll be paid off but stranger things have happened. I also don't think Raj will suddenly hand him the funds in an attempt to buy our way out so there aren't really very many ways he can go. Hey ho.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5380

derwent wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

derwent wrote:

There's quite a few things I don't understand. I'm beginning to think he has given up/lost interest and is just taking the wage like the players. After all he can't lose.
Then at the end of the season he has a clear out probably in NLN, brings in new players and has a go at promotion.
I know that sounds daft but how else can it end.

I don't think it sounds daft. Ridiculously far fetched is the phrase you were looking for.

I'm not as sure that it is as ridiculously far fetched as you obviously think it is but we will see.
He is coming across to me as being pissed off to say the least and I doubt very much that he will walk with his contract hardly dented, unless he is well heeled or has something else lined up. All he can really do is see the season out in the hope that he can keep us in this division and then start again. I don't think he'll be paid off but stranger things have happened. I also don't think Raj will suddenly hand him the funds in an attempt to buy our way out so there aren't really very many ways he can go. Hey ho.

I don't think Askey believes Pools are relegation material this season though I'm sure he realises there is zero chance this team will make the play-offs. Nobody is 'not trying' but the defence is a basket case. Only major surgery will fix it, and I agree with you that there's a limit to what can be achieved in the January transfer window. Apart from anything else, Pools are sorely lacking defenders and midfielders with any pace with Dan Dodds out for the season - that's why every team we play tries to catch us on the break.

If we get beat by Fylde and City of Liverpool I promise I will give you a grovelling apology - and cut my season ticket up into tiny pieces and send it back to the club. 12 more home shit shows is too many even for a die-hard like me.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:34 pm

Dont worry 12 more shit shows is only 18 hours on the terrace so a good box set on the phone should get us through it.
I too must be losing interest as i didnt notice them scoring their second and when the third went in i was shocked to see it was 3 on the score board.

I staying in my seat all game too!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Flying Hogans wrote:

derwent wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

derwent wrote:

There's quite a few things I don't understand. I'm beginning to think he has given up/lost interest and is just taking the wage like the players. After all he can't lose.
Then at the end of the season he has a clear out probably in NLN, brings in new players and has a go at promotion.
I know that sounds daft but how else can it end.

I don't think it sounds daft. Ridiculously far fetched is the phrase you were looking for.

I'm not as sure that it is as ridiculously far fetched as you obviously think it is but we will see.
He is coming across to me as being pissed off to say the least and I doubt very much that he will walk with his contract hardly dented, unless he is well heeled or has something else lined up. All he can really do is see the season out in the hope that he can keep us in this division and then start again. I don't think he'll be paid off but stranger things have happened. I also don't think Raj will suddenly hand him the funds in an attempt to buy our way out so there aren't really very many ways he can go. Hey ho.

I don't think Askey believes Pools are relegation material this season though I'm sure he realises there is zero chance this team will make the play-offs. Nobody is 'not trying' but the defence is a basket case. Only major surgery will fix it, and I agree with you that there's a limit to what can be achieved in the January transfer window. Apart from anything else, Pools are sorely lacking defenders and midfielders with any pace with Dan Dodds out for the season - that's why every team we play tries to catch us on the break.

If we get beat by Fylde and City of Liverpool I promise I will give you a grovelling apology - and cut my season ticket up into tiny pieces and send it back to the club. 12 more home shit shows is too many even for a die-hard like me.

Although no apology is needed I certainly hope you don't have to.
No matter what Askey thinks about our finishing position, if he doesn't find the answers pretty quick he'll soon find out where we're heading.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

Flying Hogans wrote:

If we get beat by Fylde and City of Liverpool I promise I will give you a grovelling apology - and cut my season ticket up into tiny pieces and send it back to the club. 12 more home shit shows is too many even for a die-hard like me.

You’d only regret cutting it up :laugh:

But something better turn up in December, because I have this awful feeling about it.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6675

Flying Hogans wrote:

derwent wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

derwent wrote:

There's quite a few things I don't understand. I'm beginning to think he has given up/lost interest and is just taking the wage like the players. After all he can't lose.
Then at the end of the season he has a clear out probably in NLN, brings in new players and has a go at promotion.
I know that sounds daft but how else can it end.

I don't think it sounds daft. Ridiculously far fetched is the phrase you were looking for.

I'm not as sure that it is as ridiculously far fetched as you obviously think it is but we will see.
He is coming across to me as being pissed off to say the least and I doubt very much that he will walk with his contract hardly dented, unless he is well heeled or has something else lined up. All he can really do is see the season out in the hope that he can keep us in this division and then start again. I don't think he'll be paid off but stranger things have happened. I also don't think Raj will suddenly hand him the funds in an attempt to buy our way out so there aren't really very many ways he can go. Hey ho.

I don't think Askey believes Pools are relegation material this season though I'm sure he realises there is zero chance this team will make the play-offs. Nobody is 'not trying' but the defence is a basket case. Only major surgery will fix it, and I agree with you that there's a limit to what can be achieved in the January transfer window. Apart from anything else, Pools are sorely lacking defenders and midfielders with any pace with Dan Dodds out for the season - that's why every team we play tries to catch us on the break.

If we get beat by Fylde and City of Liverpool I promise I will give you a grovelling apology - and cut my season ticket up into tiny pieces and send it back to the club. 12 more home shit shows is too many even for a die-hard like me.

"January transfer window"

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

a bigger problem for me is how seriously crawford is injured and who else will pick up knocks before saturday.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6675

Askey interview on Tees:
Where he say Hancox should have wiped out Fella on the halfway line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gvwtx6

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

Flying Hogans wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

derwent wrote:

I was amazed when it was announced that both managers were keen to play on.
Some of JA's decisions leave me scratching my head in disbelief.

It was a crazy decision, what exactly would we have got out of that game playing on? Id be shocked if any other club in the land would of done what we did on saturday, strange move is not the word.

Well, 3,500 fans who were at the game would have been pissed off, myself included. It's pretty obvious one or two others who have commented on this aspect of the game weren't there.

The overall level of light wasn't that bad at all - I've watched plenty of games in fog or misty conditions that were far worse. Yes, we were getting beat, by 2 goals not 4 or 5, and nobody had given up hope of turning it around. The few boos at half time were nothing like as bad as after some really shite first half performances this season.

If you are given any possibility of calling a game off at 2 nil most clubs in the land would of taken it, if we go down at the end of the season by a point or 3 we might well look back on it with a tinge of regret.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4375

ZNB12 wrote:

I personally don't think Mancini will make a difference in this squad now. He'll run around and create chance after chance, just to get beat by poor defensive players.

Unfortunately Askey has lost the plot in my opinion and going through the motions or trying to get to January to sign some decent defence from a league two club, but can't see that happening deep down.

I think the whole club has lost the plot, the players seem half arsed at times, the manager seems resigned to a season of struggle, a lot of the fans seem beaten by whats going on, not sure where we go from here? We just got to hope something quick happens and we dont totally fall to pieces.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36396

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

ZNB12 wrote:

I personally don't think Mancini will make a difference in this squad now. He'll run around and create chance after chance, just to get beat by poor defensive players.

Unfortunately Askey has lost the plot in my opinion and going through the motions or trying to get to January to sign some decent defence from a league two club, but can't see that happening deep down.

I think the whole club has lost the plot, the players seem half arsed at times, the manager seems resigned to a season of struggle, a lot of the fans seem beaten by whats going on, not sure where we go from here? We just got to hope something quick happens and we dont totally fall to pieces.

Well we can agree about that…..even the cloud formations over the Vic can be more interesting sometimes. sadx

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