Should Askey go

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8921

Grayhoundend wrote:

derwent wrote:

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.

And you overheard the "Gentleman's" conversation did you.
Will you stop at nothing in your campaign to hound Raj out.
You make things up on a daily basis whilst driving the club over the cliff with your fantasies and fairy tales.
You are doing your level best to destroy our club without the slightest hint of shame or remorse.
You want Raj to walk away just to be able to say I told you so without any consideration of where you are driving the club.
Why else would you behave in such a fashion.

Calm Derwent.
Raj is not going to leave because of something Kevin has said, Or any of us for that matter.

Finally a bit of reality which may offend the Drama Kings.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Raj is not going to leave because of something Kevin has said, Or any of us for that matter.

But you were very consistent, vociferous bricks in the wall of the Raj out clique.
Pointless now trying to pull the tired old ‘Nowt to do with me Guv’ routine, your part of it.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4376

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Grayhoundend wrote:

derwent wrote:

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

DC only signed the contract to get Compo for Sing.
A sort of gentlemans agreement.
Pity it went nowhere near the pitch as today's mess proves.

And you overheard the "Gentleman's" conversation did you.
Will you stop at nothing in your campaign to hound Raj out.
You make things up on a daily basis whilst driving the club over the cliff with your fantasies and fairy tales.
You are doing your level best to destroy our club without the slightest hint of shame or remorse.
You want Raj to walk away just to be able to say I told you so without any consideration of where you are driving the club.
Why else would you behave in such a fashion.

You can imagine raj now that kev and billinghampoolie whatever i do is no good for them, so im going to close their football club down, that will shut them up. It might lose me the 1 million to 1.5 million i want back but just to shut them too up. But before i go im going to make sure they get relegated again.
Calm Derwent.
Raj is not going to leave because of something Kevin has said, Or any of us for that matter.

Finally a bit of reality which may offend the Drama Kings.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8921

Snowy wrote:

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Raj is not going to leave because of something Kevin has said, Or any of us for that matter.

But you were very consistent, vociferous bricks in the wall of the Raj out clique.
Pointless now trying to pull the tired old ‘Nowt to do with me Guv’ routine, your part of it.

I Dident say that.
My sentence is below that.

Smokin Joe · **Joined:** Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:13 pm **Posts:** 1000

Going back to the origin of this thread, I believe John Askey to be an honest man who is giving his all (unlike many of his players) and is obviously hurting given the current plight of the club. His post match interviews are becoming increasingly depressing to watch as he struggles to offer explanations for his side’s poor performances

Askey is of course no rookie therefore you would think that he would have contacts within the game whom he could turn to for advice in situations such this. It may be beyond the club’s current financial means to recruit a ‘defensive coach’ as someone recently suggested but surely seeking a bit of sound advice would not go amiss?

Before anyone suggests that the currently available defensive players representing Pools are purely and simply utter shite, it should be remembered that most of them are not rookies either but well paid professionals who have previously represented other clubs at this or higher levels.

My view is that Askey should NOT be dismissed (not that the club can afford to sack him anyway) but given more time to resolve the defensive issues as the injured players gradually return to action and hopefully ease pressure on the defence via keeping possession and - hopefully - scoring more goals than the defence concedes as was the case during the early stages of the season.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3710

I agree with all thiis but the problem is they come back from injury and then get injured again: Lacey for example, Seaman, Wallace is another. I wonder if he is flogging them on the training pitch so they are tired on match days and prone to picking up injuries in matches due to fatigue? Just a theory with no cocrete evidence but can anyone else suggest a reason for the never ending plague of injuries we are going through? Love to hear some ideas. Surely it cant just be bad luck.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:23 pm

It's just poor professionalism for me, it's their job for Christ's sake, they really should know what mistakes they are making, before having to watch the re-runs of the match afterwards. For example that Ebbsfleet second goal on Saturday, it was the player who gave away the needless free kick leading to it, one thing you don't do when running down the clock is gift the other team a chance to put the ball into the box ... sinful.
It's mistakes like this, poor marking, not retaining possession for any length of period and lazy ,static, ponderous play which has plagued the whole season so far, unforgivable really.

fckpoolie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:56 pm **Posts:** 194

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It's just poor professionalism for me, it's their job for Christ's sake, they really should know what mistakes they are making, before having to watch the re-runs of the match afterwards. For example that Ebbsfleet second goal on Saturday, it was the player who gave away the needless free kick leading to it, one thing you don't do when running down the clock is gift the other team a chance to put the ball into the box ... sinful.
It's mistakes like this, poor marking, not retaining possession for any length of period and lazy ,static, ponderous play which has plagued the whole season so far, unforgivable really.

I couldn't agree more and it all stems from that Askey doesn't see any point in giving them a rollocking for stupid mistakes when they're low on confidence (he's actually said words to that effect).

He should though - they're grown up professional sportsmen and he's being paid to manage them. It's not a nursery school - when they mess up - pull them up about it.

If I go to work tomorrow, turn up late, miss a couple of deadlines then completely f*ck up at a meeting - I'd be expecting my boss to have a serious word with me (and I don't think that "I'm feeling low on confidence" would help me much).

So basically Askey needs to stop banging on about "they're not listening to me" and show them who's the boss (it's you John).

harrogatepoolie · **Joined:** Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:35 pm **Posts:** 1126

Smokin Joe wrote:

Going back to the origin of this thread, I believe John Askey to be an honest man who is giving his all (unlike many of his players) and is obviously hurting given the current plight of the club. His post match interviews are becoming increasingly depressing to watch as he struggles to offer explanations for his side’s poor performances

Askey is of course no rookie therefore you would think that he would have contacts within the game whom he could turn to for advice in situations such this. It may be beyond the club’s current financial means to recruit a ‘defensive coach’ as someone recently suggested but surely seeking a bit of sound advice would not go amiss?

Before anyone suggests that the currently available defensive players representing Pools are purely and simply utter shite, it should be remembered that most of them are not rookies either but well paid professionals who have previously represented other clubs at this or higher levels.

My view is that Askey should NOT be dismissed (not that therge club can afford to sack him anyway) but given more time to resolve the defensive issues as the injured players gradually return to action and hopefully ease pressure on the defence via keeping possession and - hopefully - scoring more goals than the defence concedes as was the case during the early stages of the season.

Of course I started this thread and have always had 100% backing for the guy. I know he has a difficult task. Our best players injured early in the season, a small squad and no continuity with the team. However, he and us know that the problems are primarily in defence and midfield. For me the whole team should be coached in the art of defending and this should have been a priority. As others have said in our normal jobs if we where doing the basics wrong we would be pulled up by the boss and given a development plan which should be reviewed regularly . Once the manager has ingrained a way to defend on the squad and stopped leaking goals confidence spreads and he can work on the midfield. He has failed to do this. We are in the national league now, still a difficult league but not as strong this year as previous and the squad he has, even inspite of injuries should be at least in a play off spot. Ok mid table is not a disaster but the way we are playing is very worrying. We are miles of the pace and playing like a northern league side. It’s unbelievable how far we have slipped and it’s got to stop soon. The buck stops at Askey and Sweeney. Two guys with loads of experience who don’t seem to understand how to install correct and basic methods in to players who are not playing to their potential. I personally think Askey will walk if we are in the bottom 4 by Christmas. I want the guy to succeed but his interviews and demeanour worry me. Two weeks to work on the team and no
Improvement is very worrying. The team needs someone to build confidence and get back to basics to rescue this season. Askey must have contacts in the game to help him. Nothing wrong in asking advice.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8921

JA wont resign. Hes got the comfort of one of the longest contracts a Pools manager have ever had.
And now hes unsackable.
Not looking good.
At this moment in time i would gladly take having to win our last game at Dorking to finish 5th bottom.
Thats my opinion.
Agree or Disagree aint the issue at all.
Its all about trying to avoid a double relegation.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

harrogatepoolie wrote:

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Of course I started this thread and have always had 100% backing for the guy. I know he has a difficult task. Our best players injured early in the season, a small squad and no continuity with the team. However, he and us know that the problems are primarily in defence and midfield. For me the whole team should be coached in the art of defending and this should have been a priority. As others have said in our normal jobs if we where doing the basics wrong we would be pulled up by the boss and given a development plan which should be reviewed regularly . Once the manager has ingrained a way to defend on the squad and stopped leaking goals confidence spreads and he can work on the midfield. He has failed to do this. We are in the national league now, still a difficult league but not as strong this year as previous and the squad he has, even inspite of injuries should be at least in a play off spot. Ok mid table is not a disaster but the way we are playing is very worrying. We are miles of the pace and playing like a northern league side. It’s unbelievable how far we have slipped and it’s got to stop soon. The buck stops at Askey and Sweeney. Two guys with loads of experience who don’t seem to understand how to install correct and basic methods in to players who are not playing to their potential. I personally think Askey will walk if we are in the bottom 4 by Christmas. I want the guy to succeed but his interviews and demeanour worry me. Two weeks to work on the team and no
Improvement is very worrying. The team needs someone to build confidence and get back to basics to rescue this season. Askey must have contacts in the game to help him. Nothing wrong in asking advice.

no coach or manager can get a player to play above their ability on the pitch. they can however get them to show more pride in themselves if they cannot get them to show pride in the shirt. hard work with a good attitude on the pitch with the never say die attitude can make up for some lack of ability. when you are short of players then that should be the criterion of picking the side and not because the ones chosen have better playing ability but only when they feel like it.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6680

Vinney Jones, I think most will agree was not blessed with loads of ability.

But big heart, Brave, Not afraid to make a mistake.
Determination to STOP the opposition playing.
And if team mates were not pulling their weight, Then god help them.

Is it too much to ask that PROFESSIONAL players stand up and be counted.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3710

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

It's just poor professionalism for me, it's their job for Christ's sake, they really should know what mistakes they are making, before having to watch the re-runs of the match afterwards. For example that Ebbsfleet second goal on Saturday, it was the player who gave away the needless free kick leading to it, one thing you don't do when running down the clock is gift the other team a chance to put the ball into the box ... sinful.
It's mistakes like this, poor marking, not retaining possession for any length of period and lazy ,static, ponderous play which has plagued the whole season so far, unforgivable really.

Cant argue with anything you say in your post but what about the injury plague? Is it just bad luck or something else?

Johnjo1 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:52 pm **Posts:** 1625

Askey has brought in numerous players permanently and on loan and to my mind apart from Mani D non of them have really improved the team.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3933

Mancini obviously did, and I'd say Johnson at CN looks solid enough (although being constantly shifted across the back line is helping him).

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Johnjo1 wrote:

Askey has brought in numerous players permanently and on loan and to my mind apart from Mani D non of them have really improved the team.

I think you can add Mancini to that.

ZNB12 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:50 pm **Posts:** 1121

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

It's just poor professionalism for me, it's their job for Christ's sake, they really should know what mistakes they are making, before having to watch the re-runs of the match afterwards. For example that Ebbsfleet second goal on Saturday, it was the player who gave away the needless free kick leading to it, one thing you don't do when running down the clock is gift the other team a chance to put the ball into the box ... sinful.
It's mistakes like this, poor marking, not retaining possession for any length of period and lazy ,static, ponderous play which has plagued the whole season so far, unforgivable really.

Cant argue with anything you say in your post but what about the injury plague? Is it just bad luck or something else?

What's What's happened to the days of row Z the ball, kicking it into touch up the field, killing the play. Why do all teams these days think they can play like Real, City and the rest of European standard rubbish. Boring play yawn2

I really hope it is bad luck rather than down tools or over training them. Then again, what we see, you got to question, do we even train or talk to each other about tactics and markings. Sometimes it looks like 11 blokes in a park playing footie.

Johnjo1 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:52 pm **Posts:** 1625

I forgot Mancini however I think Johnson is doing what he was sent here for i.e. learning his trade playing against men and not the strong domineering centre back we are desperate for.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:31 pm

ZNB12 wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

It's just poor professionalism for me, it's their job for Christ's sake, they really should know what mistakes they are making, before having to watch the re-runs of the match afterwards. For example that Ebbsfleet second goal on Saturday, it was the player who gave away the needless free kick leading to it, one thing you don't do when running down the clock is gift the other team a chance to put the ball into the box ... sinful.
It's mistakes like this, poor marking, not retaining possession for any length of period and lazy ,static, ponderous play which has plagued the whole season so far, unforgivable really.

Cant argue with anything you say in your post but what about the injury plague? Is it just bad luck or something else?

What's What's happened to the days of row Z the ball, kicking it into touch up the field, killing the play. Why do all teams these days think they can play like Real, City and the rest of European standard rubbish. Boring play yawn2

I really hope it is bad luck rather than down tools or over training them. Then again, what we see, you got to question, do we even train or talk to each other about tactics and markings. Sometimes it looks like 11 blokes in a park playing footie.

Good point about hoofing the ball into row Z, or in the days gone by Clarence Road or even the railway lines, but I'm also concerned that when we are leading we aren't knocking it pointlessly across the back four, or between midfield and the back, isn't pretty to watch but it's part of the game, it's called running the clock down, fans can sometimes not help either by seeming to think that when your ahead you should be relentlessly attacking or going for goals constantly, surely if you win all of your games 1-0 your doing something right?,as I said in my earlier post our ball retention is lousy, we lose possession straight away, players can't shield the ball and are brushed aside far too easily, I have this discussion with my mate Mr.Horden constantly and his opinion is that we sign players who have maybe had flaws/weaknesses picked up in medicals that we either miss or overlook, hence they always get injured due to those issues.

ZNB12 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:50 pm **Posts:** 1121

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

ZNB12 wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

It's just poor professionalism for me, it's their job for Christ's sake, they really should know what mistakes they are making, before having to watch the re-runs of the match afterwards. For example that Ebbsfleet second goal on Saturday, it was the player who gave away the needless free kick leading to it, one thing you don't do when running down the clock is gift the other team a chance to put the ball into the box ... sinful.
It's mistakes like this, poor marking, not retaining possession for any length of period and lazy ,static, ponderous play which has plagued the whole season so far, unforgivable really.

Cant argue with anything you say in your post but what about the injury plague? Is it just bad luck or something else?

What's What's happened to the days of row Z the ball, kicking it into touch up the field, killing the play. Why do all teams these days think they can play like Real, City and the rest of European standard rubbish. Boring play yawn2

I really hope it is bad luck rather than down tools or over training them. Then again, what we see, you got to question, do we even train or talk to each other about tactics and markings. Sometimes it looks like 11 blokes in a park playing footie.

Good point about hoofing the ball into row Z, or in the days gone by Clarence Road or even the railway lines, but I'm also concerned that when we are leading we aren't knocking it pointlessly across the back four, or between midfield and the back, isn't pretty to watch but it's part of the game, it's called running the clock down, fans can sometimes not help either by seeming to think that when your ahead you should be relentlessly attacking or going for goals constantly, surely if you win all of your games 1-0 your doing something right?,as I said in my earlier post our ball retention is lousy, we lose possession straight away, players can't shield the ball and are brushed aside far too easily, I have this discussion with my mate Mr.Horden constantly and his opinion is that we sign players who have maybe had flaws/weaknesses picked up in medicals that we either miss or overlook, hence they always get injured due to those issues.

Ferguson won a lot of trophies with 1-0 wins. As you say 3pts and clean sheets.

Kenny Bottles · **Joined:** Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm **Posts:** 759

accrington fan wrote:

no coach or manager can get a player to play above their ability on the pitch.

I agree in general, but every now and then someone very special comes along who can.

What odds would you have got at the bookies in 1968 that John McGovern would lift the European Cup eleven years later...?

Would McGovern - who was described as being someone "I found on a park-bench in Hartlepool" - have achieved that if Brian Howard Clough hadn't entered his life..?

It's extremely rare, but it does happen every once in a while.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

ZNB12 wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

ZNB12 wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

What's What's happened to the days of row Z the ball, kicking it into touch up the field, killing the play. Why do all teams these days think they can play like Real, City and the rest of European standard rubbish. Boring play yawn2

I really hope it is bad luck rather than down tools or over training them. Then again, what we see, you got to question, do we even train or talk to each other about tactics and markings. Sometimes it looks like 11 blokes in a park playing footie.

Good point about hoofing the ball into row Z, or in the days gone by Clarence Road or even the railway lines, but I'm also concerned that when we are leading we aren't knocking it pointlessly across the back four, or between midfield and the back, isn't pretty to watch but it's part of the game, it's called running the clock down, fans can sometimes not help either by seeming to think that when your ahead you should be relentlessly attacking or going for goals constantly, surely if you win all of your games 1-0 your doing something right?,as I said in my earlier post our ball retention is lousy, we lose possession straight away, players can't shield the ball and are brushed aside far too easily, I have this discussion with my mate Mr.Horden constantly and his opinion is that we sign players who have maybe had flaws/weaknesses picked up in medicals that we either miss or overlook, hence they always get injured due to those issues.

Ferguson won a lot of trophies with 1-0 wins. As you say 3pts and clean sheets.

our players look incapable of kicking the ball into clarence road as clearing the lines always seems to need 3 or 4 goes to do it. as for 1 nil wins you need a side out there who can defend it and at the moment the best way we can defend the lead is to attack the opposition.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

derwent wrote:

Johnjo1 wrote:

Askey has brought in numerous players permanently and on loan and to my mind apart from Mani D non of them have really improved the team.

I think you can add Mancini to that.

but even he was signed after a period on trial and not outright so he must have had severe doubts about him at the outset.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3933

Said it before, every player is a gamble at every club.
Taking a player in trial is a sensible course of action to see if he's likely to fit in.
Bear in mind most of JAs signings seem to be players he knows so he wouldn't have needed trials for them.

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