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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:40 am 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Chris Turner and Neale Cooper were gambles both had no English League managerial experience, Hartley as well unfortunately he signed the wrong players. Some gambles you win when appointing managers others you get wrong.

exactly. some bring up that raj had never heard of hartley. if true then he was in the same company as the vast majority of poolies. then he went for another tired old name in football keith curle because he had heard of him. this is a reason why the game is littered by these old names and nobody new get a look in. you,ll all think i,m totally mad now but really would the club have been in a worse place at the time of askey getting the job if they had stuck with Lee and a new assistant.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:50 am 
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Who knows, one thing for certain is that we wouldn't have been lumbered with Tumilty, Murray, Patterson, Hastings, Ndjoli. and the like.
Lee may have brought in better, but hard to imagine he might have brought in worse.
Water under the bridge now we just need Askey to find a way of getting results with what he's got.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:40 am 
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He has blamed the fans for him wanting out, exactly the same thing he did at darlo and not that the money he will now lose because of dreadful mistakes he made with appointments etc. His next aim will be at the trust. He blames everyone else but the guy at the top who should have the final say.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:46 am 
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Ah so he hasn't blamed the Trust for anything. Now who's the liar?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:49 am 
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Think Ratboy would make a better advisor to the board than some that are presently in the role.

Actually, I kid you not, he was trained to kill foxes by biting their Crown Jewels while his sister came in from the opposite end, so his place at the interview table would encourage clear thoughts from all Party’s involved and consequences of not giving 150% effort. :laugh:
He’d do, it for a Bonio too.


How about the pre match talk/bark/snarl/showing of teeth in the changing room.


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Think Ratboy would make a better advisor to the board than some that are presently in the role.

Actually, I kid you not, he was trained to kill foxes by biting their Crown Jewels while his sister came in from the opposite end, so his place at the interview table would encourage clear thoughts from all Party’s involved and consequences of not giving 150% effort. :laugh:
He’d do, it for a Bonio too.


How about the pre match talk/bark/snarl/showing of teeth in the changing room.

He’d show more than his teeth :shock:

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PTID wrote:
Ah so he hasn't blamed the Trust for anything. Now who's the liar?


Who said he had?


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My apologies, misread the post saying he'll blame the Trust next, not that he'd already blamed them.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:32 pm 
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Back on track for a second. I’m not sure the current party line flies. The trust is stating that it doesn’t want to consider ownership just a small stake and a place in the board.

If that’s the case it dilutes the point of a trust in the first place. This is the second time trust board members have gone public with this sort of statement. In my view it brings back the thought process of ‘what’s the point?’ Secondly what if there isn’t a consortium or a buyer forthcoming? (And there hasn’t since RS put it up for sale) then where’s the safety net if it isn’t a supporters organisation.

The trust should be preparing for the worst case scenario. Singh is walking away in the relatively near future and in the absence of a serious bidder the trust should be there to step in and negotiate an exit with RS - that’s kind of the point. By telling everyone who cares to listen that the trust isn’t interested in ownership if it comes to that it becomes toothless and pointless.

Incidentally, if there were potential buyers about then RS would not have invited the trust in for a chat so a consortium doesn’t look likely, Singh is away in a matter of months so what happens then?


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I note that the York Supporters are having meetings to get an agreement to sell a further 24% in the Club to the Uggla family. That would mean the family own 75% of York City.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea.


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Back on track for a second. I’m not sure the current party line flies. The trust is stating that it doesn’t want to consider ownership just a small stake and a place in the board.

If that’s the case it dilutes the point of a trust in the first place. This is the second time trust board members have gone public with this sort of statement. In my view it brings back the thought process of ‘what’s the point?’ Secondly what if there isn’t a consortium or a buyer forthcoming? (And there hasn’t since RS put it up for sale) then where’s the safety net if it isn’t a supporters organisation.

The trust should be preparing for the worst case scenario. Singh is walking away in the relatively near future and in the absence of a serious bidder the trust should be there to step in and negotiate an exit with RS - that’s kind of the point. By telling everyone who cares to listen that the trust isn’t interested in ownership if it comes to that it becomes toothless and pointless.

Incidentally, if there were potential buyers about then RS would not have invited the trust in for a chat so a consortium doesn’t look likely, Singh is away in a matter of months so what happens then?


The trust wants fans to have representation. If they own part of the club then there will be. There'll far more of a point to that than the current pointless bashing of gums.


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Pooly_Imp wrote:
Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Back on track for a second. I’m not sure the current party line flies. The trust is stating that it doesn’t want to consider ownership just a small stake and a place in the board.

If that’s the case it dilutes the point of a trust in the first place. This is the second time trust board members have gone public with this sort of statement. In my view it brings back the thought process of ‘what’s the point?’ Secondly what if there isn’t a consortium or a buyer forthcoming? (And there hasn’t since RS put it up for sale) then where’s the safety net if it isn’t a supporters organisation.

The trust should be preparing for the worst case scenario. Singh is walking away in the relatively near future and in the absence of a serious bidder the trust should be there to step in and negotiate an exit with RS - that’s kind of the point. By telling everyone who cares to listen that the trust isn’t interested in ownership if it comes to that it becomes toothless and pointless.

Incidentally, if there were potential buyers about then RS would not have invited the trust in for a chat so a consortium doesn’t look likely, Singh is away in a matter of months so what happens then?


The trust wants fans to have representation. If they own part of the club then there will be. There'll far more of a point to that than the current pointless bashing of gums.

Somehow I see Raj as someone who wants total control , which can be an Achille’s heel at clubs at this level
.Different inputs and discussions about the club’s policy can only be helpful as only one input can limit the club’s horizon’s.
It’s not necessarily just the money side, but the opening up of options.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:09 am 
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The last two posts both assume there are wealthy people who will cough up. Seeing as Singh has been trying to offload the club publically for some time with no takers and it’s fair to assume that Jeff has been putting the word out too. Therefore I ask again, what if.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
The last two posts both assume there are wealthy people who will cough up. Seeing as Singh has been trying to offload the club publically for some time with no takers and it’s fair to assume that Jeff has been putting the word out too. Therefore I ask again, what if.


There are quite a few wealthy people in Hartlepool, they might even be Pools fans but you need to be very wealthy to take a club like Pools on and have money to burn.


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So looking likely nobody wants to do buisness with Chairman regarding a takeover.
So its all a bit fairy tale stuff if he thinks getting the trust involved will magic up a miracle.

Be very surprised if we start next season off in this division.

Its turning into a mystery soap opera for sure.

Anyhow back to the football pitch.
Can someone start a thread off for this big game on Saturday which for some strange feeling expecting a comfortable 3 points.
UTP.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
The last two posts both assume there are wealthy people who will cough up. Seeing as Singh has been trying to offload the club publically for some time with no takers and it’s fair to assume that Jeff has been putting the word out too. Therefore I ask again, what if.

I definitely made no such assumption, I can safely say there’s no wealthy benefactors on the far horizon.

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Snowy wrote:
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Somehow I see Raj as someone who wants total control , which can be an Achille’s heel at clubs at this level
.Different inputs and discussions about the club’s policy can only be helpful as only one input can limit the club’s horizon’s.
It’s not necessarily just the money side, but the opening up of options.

you must be reading my mind because thats the impression i have always got from him. he wasn,t with us too long before he was asking others to help him out financially with their money but never any talk of giving him an helping hand in other respects. a bit of give us your money and now piss off approach. anyone falling for that must have been mad and we saw there wasn,t anyone.


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
So looking likely nobody wants to do buisness with Chairman regarding a takeover.
So its all a bit fairy tale stuff if he thinks getting the trust involved will magic up a miracle.

Be very surprised if we start next season off in this division.

Its turning into a mystery soap opera for sure.

Anyhow back to the football pitch.
Can someone start a thread off for this big game on Saturday which for some strange feeling expecting a comfortable 3 points.
UTP.


Aknow whats happening, Your back on the meds Kevin, Correct ?


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I often wonder how it worked years ago when I first started going to Pools. We had a chairman and a number of board members no one was the owner. I remember one called Perryman, Ernie Ord, John Curry,Vince Barker, although they put money into the club they were not classed as owners. I believe even the club secretary Bill Hillen was at one time part time. When did it change to owners?


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Johnjo1 wrote:
I often wonder how it worked years ago when I first started going to Pools. We had a chairman and a number of board members no one was the owner. I remember one called Perryman, Ernie Ord, John Curry,Vince Barker, although they put money into the club they were not classed as owners. I believe even the club secretary Bill Hillen was at one time part time. When did it change to owners?


Good point.
I remember VB being Chairman under difficult times on half of today's support.
But never classed him as an Owner.


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Sure it was Ken Hodcroft Chairman /IOR Owners.
Sure some bunkerites have precise answers.


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Not sure wether Gibson was an owner but didn’t Hornsey buy the club for nominal sum? Sadly like Raj whilst being wealthy not rich enough to throw money down the drain.


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Johnjo1 wrote:
I often wonder how it worked years ago when I first started going to Pools. We had a chairman and a number of board members no one was the owner. I remember one called Perryman, Ernie Ord, John Curry,Vince Barker, although they put money into the club they were not classed as owners. I believe even the club secretary Bill Hillen was at one time part time. When did it change to owners?


Good point.
I remember VB being Chairman under difficult times on half of today's support.
But never classed him as an Owner.

Vince Barker annoyed me with his talks about selling the club to the Scarborough chairman, that did not go down well . :evil:
We’d have been like Wimbledon.

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Snowy wrote:
Good point.
I remember VB being Chairman under difficult times on half of today's support.
But never classed him as an Owner.

Vince Barker annoyed me with his talks about selling the club to the Scarborough chairman, that did not go down well . :evil:
We’d have been like Wimbledon.[/quote]

In those days any time Pools unearthed a decent prospect they'd be flogged off the minute another club made a cash offer.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Good point.
I remember VB being Chairman under difficult times on half of today's support.
But never classed him as an Owner.

Vince Barker annoyed me with his talks about selling the club to the Scarborough chairman, that did not go down well . :evil:
We’d have been like Wimbledon.


In those days any time Pools unearthed a decent prospect they'd be flogged off the minute another club made a cash offer.[/quote]
We had to just to survive…if we hadn’t this place wouldn’t exist. This would be the Bunker budgie wrestling forum or some obscure pastime.

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Didn't Brian Clough sign Tony Parry from us to keep us going, or was it just a rumour?


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Didn't Brian Clough sign Tony Parry from us to keep us going, or was it just a rumour?

Apparently true, but I can think of no other reason.

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Unlike his other signing from us John McGovern, Tony didn't feature much for Derby but I'm sure the fee was enough to keep us afloat at the time.


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Worked in mysterious ways did Cloughie.


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Old Big Head, but don't think he ever forgot where he came from.
Tremendous man manager to win European Cups and Leagues with some of the players he had.


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Snowy wrote:
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Didn't Brian Clough sign Tony Parry from us to keep us going, or was it just a rumour?

Apparently true, but I can think of no other reason.


Didn’t Liverpool sign Don Hutchison for the same reason, he was transferred to Liverpool, under the direction of Kenny Dalglish, for a fee of £175,000 on 27 November 1990.[2] However, Hutchinson would remain on loan at Hartlepool for the 1990–91 season.


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Johnjo1 wrote:
I often wonder how it worked years ago when I first started going to Pools. We had a chairman and a number of board members no one was the owner. I remember one called Perryman, Ernie Ord, John Curry,Vince Barker, although they put money into the club they were not classed as owners. I believe even the club secretary Bill Hillen was at one time part time. When did it change to owners?

and if you were a kid you had no idea of who they were or have any interest in them. had a vague idea who the manager was but once it was all about the players. now it seems the complete opposite where the owner of a club is the first name they,ll know.


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