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 Post subject: Who would still go
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:53 pm 
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If we go tits up and reform as a phoenix club in tier 9.
There's different opinions as some believe that attendances will stay strong whereas some think they'll fall dramatically.
I'll go first, it would be the end for me and I definitely wouldn't support the new club.


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PTID wrote:
If we go tits up and reform as a phoenix club in tier 9.
There's different opinions as some believe that attendances will stay strong whereas some think they'll fall dramatically.
I'll go first, it would be the end for me and I definitely wouldn't support the new club.



I would only keep an interest from the arm chair. One of my mates lives in Bury and was a huge home n away supporter for over 26 yrs before the dreaded collapse and has never been to another game until this season due to them being back a gigg lane. He along with many hundreds more have returned and fell back in love with Bury. Maybe keeping the Vic would put Pools in a much stronger position to keep a lot more fans on board than his club. Nobody would enjoy travelling out of town to see your shadow of a club playing at say Billingham Town. rakxe


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Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.


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If we were still at the Vic I would still go and I believe there are plenty of others who would keep going as well. Pools always have been my team and always will be…


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It would still be my town so the new club would still be my club. I think if they play at the Vic and there are still Hartlepool people in the stands then the heart of HUFC (what really matters) will keep beating strongly. It would take more than just a superficial minor name change and registered company number on some database somewhere to kill that.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.



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Depends on how far you go down and the finances.

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Leggie43 wrote:
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Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.



Spot on Mr I
My mates a Bury fan and he always said that loosing the ground was a total disaster. It cost them thousands of fans and some really good sponsorship deals. The bigger picture is its taking them much longer to climb back up the pyramid system and this was mainly down to major loss of supporters & sponsorship deals.


Precisely their is no comparison to darlo for starters we would start higher up the pyramid, with a football league ground. Imagine their would be a load of interest in owning the club then.


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The ground is the thing. No point in me answering the question as it's not that long since I swore I wouldn't follow Pools into the National League... but if they get down to playing on an open field with one or two little stands, that really would be the end for me.

And as I've said already on other threads, I'm not convinced that a phoenix club with very limited resources would be a shoe in to get the keys to the Vic handed over.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
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Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.



Spot on Mr I
My mates a Bury fan and he always said that loosing the ground was a total disaster. It cost them thousands of fans and some really good sponsorship deals. The bigger picture is its taking them much longer to climb back up the pyramid system and this was mainly down to major loss of supporters & sponsorship deals.


Precisely their is no comparison to darlo for starters we would start higher up the pyramid, with a football league ground. Imagine their would be a load of interest in owning the club then.

Surely it’s what the football authorities decide and I’ve never considered them rational….I suspect Darlo got a shock.

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.


Genuine ? is it a lease.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
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Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.


Genuine ? is it a lease.


99 years from the early 90’s.


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Stomper409 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Everyone keeps comparing pools to darlo when it comes to a phoenix club. The comparison is not realistic. Darlington were homeless, we have a league standard ground on a peppercorn rent. Better comparisons would the likes of Accrington and Wimbledon.


Genuine ? is it a lease.


99 years from the early 90’s.


Ironic how the club sold the ground to the Council for £10k to stay in business.

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I don't go now to be be honest. Not because I don't want to but because I've been living in Denmark for the past 25 years. I always time my visits home to coincide with a match though and being able to stream Pools's games has been like a dream come true to me - it beats the heck out of checking the bbc online, or the bunker or forza football app every five minutes on a Saturday (even though more often than not I end up thinking - F'ck me - that was a waste of ten quid).

But the thing is (and I think most of us on here are the same). My son and me have had a running joke going since he was about 8 years old (he's 18 now). Whenever pools play badly I go "F'ck 'em. That's it I'm done with them. I'm taking a break until they get some players in that give a sh't" (and in that second I mean it). And then he goes "Yeah right dad - so until next weekend eh?". And he's always right.

And even if they're playing on Grayfields on a Sunday morning - I won't go because I'm not there. But I'll try and get my nephew to stream it to me or I'll check the score every five minutes wherever I can.

Whatever level Pools are playing at and whatever the club might become. There's only one (English*) team for me.

(*I've got a bit of a soft spot for FC København as well - but I'd drop them in a second if Pools were playing them).


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Last time I looked the rent was £1500 a month.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would still go
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really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


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really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Yes some are going on like no one is ever interested in owning a football club. Southend taken over recently, york taken over recently. Hartlepool united had owners for 100 plus years. We have even been told their is interest in the club from hust who id trust more than some i could mention. So until the day comes we actually do go pop and that day may never come, we might get very close to it at times chill out and enjoy getting beat every week.


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really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.


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really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.


What you are actually saying Mr Imp is we're stuck where we are and until someone comes along to pull us out Raj is all we have. I knew you would get there eventually. I don't want to be run by a committee either.

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If you haven’t got anything better to do on a Saturday, you’ll likely be at the match.

I’ve been ever present at home matches for years but that has dwindled this season, due to finding a better alternative to spend 4 to 5 hours out my main day off work.

Pools will always be my team, phoenix or not, but I can also respect and enjoy those who are far better at the sport. I do look longingly at clubs our size playing in upper echelon of league 2 and 1. I also attended Sheff U v Boro last season and it was a blooming good watch and atmosphere. That’s why it was such luxury under DC, it was a great watch & the event itself was of a far higher standard (home and away). It also felt like we were going somewhere and would be challenging season after season. Pools are inherently unsuccessful and unfortunate, it’s generally a grind. The good times are so cherished bcause you’re likely a few months from something grim occurring.

If pools are in the evo stick, it’ll be the same. Pick & choose but likely commit if we are winning and scoring goals. Football is 50% the day out, but when the football is absolute bilge (and the ground/atmosphere is also crap) as it is in the main now, you question the money you spend on it. But doesn’t mean the club isn’t in your blood. Whether we fold, restart or not, everybody needs to pull their bloody finger out and be better and not accepting of being a bit crap all the time. There are many instances of clubs with the same budgets etc doing far better than Pools & holding higher standards, one particular example is the amount of players we’ve lost for free, that could have been sold for a dime. Rochdale are one of the most unsuccessful ever clubs - alongside us - yet have quite a few famous players they have sold for decent money.


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derwent wrote:
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accrington fan wrote:
really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.


What you are actually saying Mr Imp is we're stuck where we are and until someone comes along to pull us out Raj is all we have. I knew you would get there eventually. I don't want to be run by a committee either.


Never said we were not stuck. Neither did I take it upon myself to be a shit deflector for him either.


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Last time I looked the rent was £1500 a month.


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Pooly_Imp wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.

if our early decent start had continued the whole subject would never have come up. doubt the subject of a pheonix club has never been mentioned by other clubs fans when their club has come into harder times than we have.


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accrington fan wrote:
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accrington fan wrote:
really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.

if our early decent start had continued the whole subject would never have come up. doubt the subject of a pheonix club has never been mentioned by other clubs fans when their club has come into harder times than we have.

Most Pools fans would laugh at the idea, I ‘ve raised it with a few over the past week and no one was for it, in fact the biggest reply was …why?
Because something is repeated ad nauseum on social media does not mean anything, just a distraction and a basic undermining of confidence in the running of the club, that’s the game, creating an air of failure…till their Santa Claus arrives.

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derwent wrote:
Pooly_Imp wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.


What you are actually saying Mr Imp is we're stuck where we are and until someone comes along to pull us out Raj is all we have. I knew you would get there eventually. I don't want to be run by a committee either.


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If you haven’t got anything better to do on a Saturday, you’ll likely be at the match.

I’ve been ever present at home matches for years but that has dwindled this season, due to finding a better alternative to spend 4 to 5 hours out my main day off work.

Pools will always be my team, phoenix or not, but I can also respect and enjoy those who are far better at the sport. I do look longingly at clubs our size playing in upper echelon of league 2 and 1. I also attended Sheff U v Boro last season and it was a blooming good watch and atmosphere. That’s why it was such luxury under DC, it was a great watch & the event itself was of a far higher standard (home and away). It also felt like we were going somewhere and would be challenging season after season. Pools are inherently unsuccessful and unfortunate, it’s generally a grind. The good times are so cherished bcause you’re likely a few months from something grim occurring.

If pools are in the evo stick, it’ll be the same. Pick & choose but likely commit if we are winning and scoring goals. Football is 50% the day out, but when the football is absolute bilge (and the ground/atmosphere is also crap) as it is in the main now, you question the money you spend on it. But doesn’t mean the club isn’t in your blood. Whether we fold, restart or not, everybody needs to pull their bloody finger out and be better and not accepting of being a bit crap all the time. There are many instances of clubs with the same budgets etc doing far better than Pools & holding higher standards, one particular example is the amount of players we’ve lost for free, that could have been sold for a dime. Rochdale are one of the most unsuccessful ever clubs - alongside us - yet have quite a few famous players they have sold for decent money.


Away games are about 10% match related.
A good piss up for half of Football fans.
Watch the efl highlights now n again and the away crowds are outstanding.
I guess fans are just enjoying coming out of that Lock down era.
Imagine the 500 Whitby fans still had a good day out on Saturday despite the result.
Whats the fancy dress code for Dorking.
Raj Singh face masks.
End of the day we have varied views the odd little tantrums BUT never lose your sense of humour.

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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
thebigdog wrote:
If you haven’t got anything better to do on a Saturday, you’ll likely be at the match.

I’ve been ever present at home matches for years but that has dwindled this season, due to finding a better alternative to spend 4 to 5 hours out my main day off work.

Pools will always be my team, phoenix or not, but I can also respect and enjoy those who are far better at the sport. I do look longingly at clubs our size playing in upper echelon of league 2 and 1. I also attended Sheff U v Boro last season and it was a blooming good watch and atmosphere. That’s why it was such luxury under DC, it was a great watch & the event itself was of a far higher standard (home and away). It also felt like we were going somewhere and would be challenging season after season. Pools are inherently unsuccessful and unfortunate, it’s generally a grind. The good times are so cherished bcause you’re likely a few months from something grim occurring.

If pools are in the evo stick, it’ll be the same. Pick & choose but likely commit if we are winning and scoring goals. Football is 50% the day out, but when the football is absolute bilge (and the ground/atmosphere is also crap) as it is in the main now, you question the money you spend on it. But doesn’t mean the club isn’t in your blood. Whether we fold, restart or not, everybody needs to pull their bloody finger out and be better and not accepting of being a bit crap all the time. There are many instances of clubs with the same budgets etc doing far better than Pools & holding higher standards, one particular example is the amount of players we’ve lost for free, that could have been sold for a dime. Rochdale are one of the most unsuccessful ever clubs - alongside us - yet have quite a few famous players they have sold for decent money.


Away games are about 10% match related.
A good piss up for half of Football fans.
Watch the efl highlights now n again and the away crowds are outstanding.
I guess fans are just enjoying coming out of that Lock down era.
Imagine the 500 Whitby fans still had a good day out on Saturday despite the result.
Whats the fancy dress code for Dorking.
Raj Singh face masks.
End of the day we have varied views the odd little tantrums BUT never lose your sense of humour.

:text-lol: :text-bravo:

Aye, yer right on that score Kev :laugh:

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Snowy wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
thebigdog wrote:
If you haven’t got anything better to do on a Saturday, you’ll likely be at the match.

I’ve been ever present at home matches for years but that has dwindled this season, due to finding a better alternative to spend 4 to 5 hours out my main day off work.

Pools will always be my team, phoenix or not, but I can also respect and enjoy those who are far better at the sport. I do look longingly at clubs our size playing in upper echelon of league 2 and 1. I also attended Sheff U v Boro last season and it was a blooming good watch and atmosphere. That’s why it was such luxury under DC, it was a great watch & the event itself was of a far higher standard (home and away). It also felt like we were going somewhere and would be challenging season after season. Pools are inherently unsuccessful and unfortunate, it’s generally a grind. The good times are so cherished bcause you’re likely a few months from something grim occurring.

If pools are in the evo stick, it’ll be the same. Pick & choose but likely commit if we are winning and scoring goals. Football is 50% the day out, but when the football is absolute bilge (and the ground/atmosphere is also crap) as it is in the main now, you question the money you spend on it. But doesn’t mean the club isn’t in your blood. Whether we fold, restart or not, everybody needs to pull their bloody finger out and be better and not accepting of being a bit crap all the time. There are many instances of clubs with the same budgets etc doing far better than Pools & holding higher standards, one particular example is the amount of players we’ve lost for free, that could have been sold for a dime. Rochdale are one of the most unsuccessful ever clubs - alongside us - yet have quite a few famous players they have sold for decent money.


Away games are about 10% match related.
A good piss up for half of Football fans.
Watch the efl highlights now n again and the away crowds are outstanding.
I guess fans are just enjoying coming out of that Lock down era.
Imagine the 500 Whitby fans still had a good day out on Saturday despite the result.
Whats the fancy dress code for Dorking.
Raj Singh face masks.
End of the day we have varied views the odd little tantrums BUT never lose your sense of humour.

:text-lol: :text-bravo:

Aye, yer right on that score Kev :laugh:


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Away games are about 10% match related.
A good piss up for half of Football fans.

think thats been the case for a number of years now. even those away ground guides mention pubs for fans but nothing for those like me who want to eat somewhere outside a ground and not a noisy pub. can remember years ago going to pools away games and me and my old man were the only poolies in the ground.


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
derwent wrote:
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really why bother talking about something till it happens. get the impression a few would love this to be a fact and its certainly no joking matter if it did happen. in my life the more you talk about something to go wrong the more it will happen.


Then thats more to do with you needing to give your head a shake than the opinions of any of your fellow Poolies. There are not loads of pools supporters out there wanting a phoenix club or any other such bloody nonsense like the trust want to take over. Nor are there even a few. An absolute myth.


What you are actually saying Mr Imp is we're stuck where we are and until someone comes along to pull us out Raj is all we have. I knew you would get there eventually. I don't want to be run by a committee either.


But you on the Bunker committee
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No committee on here Kevin. We have an owner and a moderator. The members make the agenda. That's why we are such a happy bunch. :wink:

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