Finally, an MP tells it like it is.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6680

accrington fan wrote:

its still funny how a bumbling baffoon is still seen as a safer pair of hands than the two main party leaders. shows how memories can be really short with his soft brexit, covid measures and his inability to rid us of the woke thats if he ever tried in the first place.

"Bumbling Buffoon" is exactly like he would want people to see him.

I could say worse but lets leave it at Sly Old Dog is Boris.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6680

Jamie1952 wrote:

Rumours going round Farage might be looking at rejoining the Tory Party and attempt to become the party leader albeit he has stood as MP on numerous occasions and failed. It could be different if he stood as a Tory though.
2 politicians I do favour but they are not MPs are Andy Burnham and Rory Stewart, I doubt Burnham would quit his current job and Stewart is making good living away from politics.

Really has anybody with common sense ever taken Farage seriously.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Grayhoundend wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Rumours going round Farage might be looking at rejoining the Tory Party and attempt to become the party leader albeit he has stood as MP on numerous occasions and failed. It could be different if he stood as a Tory though.
2 politicians I do favour but they are not MPs are Andy Burnham and Rory Stewart, I doubt Burnham would quit his current job and Stewart is making good living away from politics.

Really has anybody with common sense ever taken Farage seriously.

Some must do as his face is never of the TV or in the newspapers.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

It’s the end of the Tories and they know it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9-0WGo9Zrk ... -itvXyDbYJ

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

Grayhoundend wrote:

There certainly is a striking resemblance to 1997. Will the Tories let it happen again?
Sunak is responsible for the demise of the Tory Darling and he doesn't look like they're about to forgive and forget.
As for Boris is there a way back, I wouldn't bet against it.
The other day I was having a discussion with a elderly lady who traditionally votes Labour and she said if Boris was leader again she would vote Tory. I was taken aback a bit so asked why. She said it's quite simple I felt safer with him in charge.

Was she struggling when they were shoehorning her into the van.[/quote]

Given the alternative was Corbyn, she was showing more sense than you. :laugh:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

Just thought if Labour do win I’d best order a new gas boiler as they believe in Net Zero like daft Boris……unless Starmer sticks with what Sunak’s just done, he knows when to jump on a bandwagon.
I do sometimes wonder if Starmer gets Labour elected, will those MP’s who followed Corbyn decide they need a new leader, the Tories did and Corbyn could be the Labour Party’s Sunak…sneaked in the fire door when no one was looking….?

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:27 pm

A few years before BJ got the PM job no one would have believed it given his record. So it may be best to not to rule out Farage as the next Conservative leader.
Also let see what happens to Ben Houchen.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

Bluestreak wrote:

A few years before BJ got the PM job no one would have believed it given his record. So it may be best to not to rule out Farage as the next Conservative leader.
Also let see what happens to Ben Houchen.

Corbyn v Farage….. if we can get some green loon to run the Lib Dims, oops Freudian slip but it’s appropriate..we could rename Question Time Three Stooges 2.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

She was screaming her head off, Dianne Abbott was driving it.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Jamie1952 wrote:

It’s the end of the Tories and they know it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9-0WGo9Zrk&si=s_6XMj-

itvXyDbYJ

In 2019 it was the end of Labour. Parties have been written off before but they bounce back. If the Tories get annihilated next year, they wont be out for long.
Anyway Jamie weren't you the one who wanted them to win based on your argument that they made the mess so they should be given the task of sorting it.
Mind you I took that with a pinch of salt.
It's all good fun.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Surely nobody in their right mind would have Corbyn back. Although Momentum are campaigning to get Abbott re instated.
What a prospect.
Please God no.
I've just received my new membership card, they'll get it back if that happens. :angry-screaming:

kebab & chips · **Posted:** Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:30 pm

Jamie1952 wrote:

kebab & chips wrote:

Can't understand how GB News can be described as racist right wing channel,when it has black presenters.

I never said GB News was racist, I said Refoem U.K. we’re.

Yes you did,read your post again.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

kebab & chips wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

kebab & chips wrote:

Can't understand how GB News can be described as racist right wing channel,when it has black presenters.

I never said GB News was racist, I said Refoem U.K. we’re.

Yes you did,read your post again.[/quote

Slip of the pen.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

A few years before BJ got the PM job no one would have believed it given his record. So it may be best to not to rule out Farage as the next Conservative leader.
Also let see what happens to Ben Houchen.

Corbyn v Farage….. if we can get some green loon to run the Lib Dims, oops Freudian slip but it’s appropriate..we could rename Question Time Three Stooges 2.

can actually see a farage v blair contest as leaders in a few years time. could see em by then both doing a biden impersonations by falling over and getting words mixed up. just where are the up and coming politicians of all party,s that value the age old things they stand for to give us a real choice between the two. if not lets get PR in to have a few coalitions. it cannot be worse than the present or future situations.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8921

Spring budget the tories will come out with some gimmick to keep the rich rich n cut income tax.
Then tax the shit out of us for the next 5 years.
Starmer not the answer like.

Reform is the future.
Please debate in a civilized manner as im turning over a new leaf.

Unless we lose these next 2 games.
:romance-grouphug:

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

if you want council tax rises, petrol and diesel to go up, road tax hikes, 15 minute towns and cities, 20mph speed limits, amnesty for illegal immegrants, no visable change in the NHS then vote labour and enjoy the diversity and inclusion at your will.

Kettering Poolie · **Posted:** Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:23 am

To be fair Mr A- that will happen if Labour don't get in - plus the top 1% will be even richer.
Tories are spent- after running out of things to sell off. They need to call a GE now and get this Circus over with. Let the electorate decide.

I also think that voting should be made compulsory - really annoys me when people whinge about stuff and when you then scratch the surface, turn round and say that they didn't bother voting- really boils my piss!

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

accrington fan wrote:

if you want council tax rises, petrol and diesel to go up, road tax hikes, 15 minute towns and cities, 20mph speed limits, amnesty for illegal immegrants, no visable change in the NHS then vote labour and enjoy the diversity and inclusion at your will.

Who do you recommend what party should all the Bunkerites be voting for then Mr A ?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

Kettering Poolie wrote:

To be fair Mr A- that will happen if Labour don't get in - plus the top 1% will be even richer.
Tories are spent- after running out of things to sell off. They need to call a GE now and get this Circus over with. Let the electorate decide.

I also think that voting should be made compulsory - really annoys me when people whinge about stuff and when you then scratch the surface, turn round and say that they didn't bother voting- really boils my piss!

If they’re dumb enough to not vote and complain, they’re simpletons who should be told they’re simpletons…but I wouldn’t make it compulsory.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Snowy wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

To be fair Mr A- that will happen if Labour don't get in - plus the top 1% will be even richer.
Tories are spent- after running out of things to sell off. They need to call a GE now and get this Circus over with. Let the electorate decide.

I also think that voting should be made compulsory - really annoys me when people whinge about stuff and when you then scratch the surface, turn round and say that they didn't bother voting- really boils my piss!

If they’re dumb enough to not vote and complain, they’re simpletons who should be told they’re simpletons…but I wouldn’t make it compulsory.

Would this happen in the U.K., it did in Poland, young people voted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67156864

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

To be fair Mr A- that will happen if Labour don't get in - plus the top 1% will be even richer.
Tories are spent- after running out of things to sell off. They need to call a GE now and get this Circus over with. Let the electorate decide.

I also think that voting should be made compulsory - really annoys me when people whinge about stuff and when you then scratch the surface, turn round and say that they didn't bother voting- really boils my piss!

If they’re dumb enough to not vote and complain, they’re simpletons who should be told they’re simpletons…but I wouldn’t make it compulsory.

Would this happen in the U.K., it did in Poland, young people voted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67156864

The BBC…….. :angry-screaming:

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

To be fair Mr A- that will happen if Labour don't get in - plus the top 1% will be even richer.
Tories are spent- after running out of things to sell off. They need to call a GE now and get this Circus over with. Let the electorate decide.

I also think that voting should be made compulsory - really annoys me when people whinge about stuff and when you then scratch the surface, turn round and say that they didn't bother voting- really boils my piss!

If they’re dumb enough to not vote and complain, they’re simpletons who should be told they’re simpletons…but I wouldn’t make it compulsory.

Would this happen in the U.K., it did in Poland, young people voted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67156864

The BBC…….. :angry-screaming:

Relevance Snowy, it’s being reported in most MSM, you for some reason have a distinct dislike for the BBC, no idea why ?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

To be fair Mr A- that will happen if Labour don't get in - plus the top 1% will be even richer.
Tories are spent- after running out of things to sell off. They need to call a GE now and get this Circus over with. Let the electorate decide.

I also think that voting should be made compulsory - really annoys me when people whinge about stuff and when you then scratch the surface, turn round and say that they didn't bother voting- really boils my piss!

If they’re dumb enough to not vote and complain, they’re simpletons who should be told they’re simpletons…but I wouldn’t make it compulsory.

Would this happen in the U.K., it did in Poland, young people voted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67156864

The BBC…….. :angry-screaming:

Relevance Snowy, it’s being reported in most MSM, you for some reason have a distinct dislike for the BBC, no idea why ?

Because of the TV Licence and their bizarre insufferable smugness.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

if you want council tax rises, petrol and diesel to go up, road tax hikes, 15 minute towns and cities, 20mph speed limits, amnesty for illegal immegrants, no visable change in the NHS then vote labour and enjoy the diversity and inclusion at your will.

Who do you recommend what party should all the Bunkerites be voting for then Mr A ?

unless you are with kettering and think voting should be made compulsory i,m joining the abstain party for this one as any vote for someone either tory or labour is a wasted one. there is usually someone you,d say is worth a try but its like having the choice this time of being run over by a scania or a volvo truck.

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:28 am

Fair enough make voting compulsory but at least have an option on the voting slip for “none of the above”

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

loan_star wrote:

Fair enough make voting compulsory but at least have an option on the voting slip for “none of the above”

Just put a big cross on the ballot paper.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

loan_star wrote:

Fair enough make voting compulsory but at least have an option on the voting slip for “none of the above”

No …..you cannot make voting compulsory.
It means you have to vote for someone you don’t believe in….it’s like a country where there’s only one candidate where you have the biggest turn out. In theory you’ve got a candidate everyone has voted for, popular with Dictators.
If you decide not to vote it’s your right not to , if you have to, it’ll be giving a false impression of a candidates real popularity.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:55 am

loan_star wrote:

Fair enough make voting compulsory but at least have an option on the voting slip for “none of the above”

I can see lots of "none of the above" MPs in Parliament.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7072

Put a cross on the voting slip, spoiled paper.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

pity things have gone now from voting for the individual no matter what party they belong to who has been a top local mp to now vote for a party which is slowly turning into a vote for its leader. a big quiz question now is name your local mp. imagine there will be many abstainers from that question.

loan_star · **Posted:** Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:55 pm

Snowy wrote:

loan_star wrote:

Fair enough make voting compulsory but at least have an option on the voting slip for “none of the above”

No …..you cannot make voting compulsory.
It means you have to vote for someone you don’t believe in….it’s like a country where there’s only one candidate where you have the biggest turn out. In theory you’ve got a candidate everyone has voted for, popular with Dictators.
If you decide not to vote it’s your right not to , if you have to, it’ll be giving a false impression of a candidates real popularity.

That’s why it should have the option of none of the above so you don’t cast a vote for someone you don’t like just because you have to vote

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36397

loan_star wrote:

Snowy wrote:

loan_star wrote:

Fair enough make voting compulsory but at least have an option on the voting slip for “none of the above”

No …..you cannot make voting compulsory.
It means you have to vote for someone you don’t believe in….it’s like a country where there’s only one candidate where you have the biggest turn out. In theory you’ve got a candidate everyone has voted for, popular with Dictators.
If you decide not to vote it’s your right not to , if you have to, it’ll be giving a false impression of a candidates real popularity.

That’s why it should have the option of none of the above so you don’t cast a vote for someone you don’t like just because you have to vote

Yes, but it’s the idea of having to travel to basically say you’re not going to vote. Same effect, saves the travelling and the failure to turn out shows the electorate’s apathy, a valuable pointer.
Also, postal voting needs tightening up. Too many groups taking advantage of it to harvest votes, should be strictly on medical grounds only.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18928

Snowy wrote:

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Also, postal voting needs tightening up. Too many groups taking advantage of it to harvest votes, should be strictly on medical grounds only.

and we all know who these groups are. the same ones who tell the rest who to vote for.

Finally, an MP tells it like it is.

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