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 Post subject: Re: Raj Singh - the future.
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The National League. We don’t need telling but word of warning even if Notts join Wrexham in L2, it’ll be tough. Until we hired DC, we looked every bit of a mid table team down there. I agree though - we should be going straight in there with a decent enough budget to see us finish in the top 7. John Askey plus a transfer window of signing genuine national league quality, no gambles this summer.

I wouldn’t hold your breath, what you’re suggesting is the logical way to proceed, but I’ll believe nothing till I can see it. I won’t get fooled again.


Just a case of looking at it & if it looks too good to be true (i.e Paul Hartley's record in Scotland), it most likely is. Same can be said about the players we bought, none of them had a credible bit of experience in League 2/1 & the fact they all came in so late, recipe for disaster. If Graeme Lee is to be believed, he had some very good players lined up such as Danny Johnson, Diamond, Cook, Chapman etc. Apparently were signed but then we all know what happened next... Hartley was arrogant - exclaiming his Scottish signings as 'just footballers' - which of course, was true - but the Scottish leagues have been laid bare... Tumilty, Niang, Hastie, Hamilton, NDjoli, even Murray. So, so far off the level required and their career statistics show exactly that.

Would be great to see Umerah in the national league, although that's wishful thinking as a few clubs interested there already. Sell him & buy Cheek from Bromley? That would be a good statement, the type of signing we should look for.


Or buy Tyrone Marsh, He played for Askey at Macclesfield .


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 Post subject: Re: Raj Singh - the future.
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Go and get Russ Green back, a man who Hodcroft trusted implicity. We could do worse.

Morning Chaps,

I'm a long time reader of the Bunker though I'm exiled in Kettering (for my sins) so only manage a handful of games a season nowadays unfortunately..
However I know from first hand after lengthy conversations with Russ, both during and after
taking part in one on Jeff's marathon walks that Russ is still a massive Poolie and would come back in a heartbeat from running Doncaster Belles, however he did say he wouldn't work for RS!

From the chats I had with him that day, as and when RS does eventually disappear off into the sunset, assuming we've got any semblance of a club remaining - he would be the first person I'd approach to run the club on a day to day basis. The man's passion for the club, town and fanbase was still very much embedded. His many stories and refreshing candidness got me through a couple of rough hours walking, which helped keep my mind off the worsening blisters!

On a similar note, reckon Simmo would do the same - what a miss he has been.

its basically a case of not improving on what we had on and off the pitch thats got the club into the position they are in. its not all about the money which is now the big factor in the game but more about as someone else said its how its spent and getting more decisions right than wrong. just how can people and not just raj can run a successful business but cock up football clubs.


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Groundhog Day.
I take no pleasure in the demise of Hartlepool, it is after all us the fans and life long supporters of Darlington and Pools who have been shafted by Raj Singh again.
We dodged a bullet when he tried to weasel his way back into Darlington before he ended up taking over at Hartlepool.
I doubt if he will sell at the moment, probably wait to trouser the parachute payment after which don't be suprised
to find out that you could be behind with VAT payments to the tax man.
Worst case scenario is administration and a 10 point deduction for next season.
Just make sure you get the "Golden Share" which allows you to play in an FA affiliated league.
He promised Darlington supporters group we would be given this, then reneged, and F.A then treated us as a phoenix club
and we were relegated 4 divisions to the Northern League. Good Luck.


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All he’s said here really is “stop shouting at me.”

The rest is what he’s said for ages, if someone shows him the money he wants, he’ll take the cash and run.


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if singh hadn't taken over we'd have been fooked anyway.
On one hand you could say we could have started again earlier, but on the other football is all about memories, especially for clubs like ours, and without him taking over we wouldn't have had Bristol, or last years cup runs

It will end in tears as it almost always done and but its not like we missed out on some golden ticket 4 years back when he took over.


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[quote="wandrererreturns"]All he’s said here really is “stop shouting at me.”

The rest is what he’s said for ages, if someone shows him the money he wants, he’ll take the cash and run.


yes, nothing new really apart from a bigger possibility now that he,d take anyones money now no matter how they,ll turn out as a new owner and the reasons for buying the club. bit like selling your house to someone who you think will cause big problems to your old neighbours who gave you a few over the years.


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All he’s said here really is “stop shouting at me.”

The rest is what he’s said for ages, if someone shows him the money he wants, he’ll take the cash and run.


yes, nothing new really apart from a bigger possibility now that he,d take anyones money now no matter how they,ll turn out as a new owner and the reasons for buying the club. bit like selling your house to someone who you think will cause big problems to your old neighbours who gave you a few over the years.

You’re right Mr A….we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place……the uncertainty will hit hardest on Askey’s recruitment for the coming season , where there mignt not be money available and will players sign for a club in chaos. It, just got worse.

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pools, the gift that keeps on giving. just really wish i could walk away and save anymore hurt and annoyance. all in all i wish my old man had never took me to the vic in the first place and left me with my mam being bored walking round the shops or a treat with a bus ride to stockton market.


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pools, the gift that keeps on giving. just really wish i could walk away and save anymore hurt and annoyance. all in all i wish my old man had never took me to the vic in the first place and left me with my mam being bored walking round the shops or a treat with a bus ride to stockton market.


When i was a nipper:
Me mam used to take me down the town round the shops and end up in Kips for a corned beef slice with chips and gravey.

Anyway back to reality, It may be time to brush up on the Northern Lge grounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Raj Singh - the future.
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Hodcroft sacked one of the managers might have been Hughes’s which didn’t please the fans, his comment was if you don’t like how I run the club don’t need to come to watch us.


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 Post subject: Re: Raj Singh - the future.
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We have no idea what the future holds or how it will all pan out. All we have is speculation and speculation quite quickly is peddled as fact and it can easily get out of hand. RS is as pissed of as we all are but for slightly different reasons.
I don't think Raj is threatening the fans at all. He is saying he wanted to chuck the towel in after the Crawley game but that would hit all the fans and the staff not just the people who were abusing him or chanting for him to go. So he decided he would still chuck the towel in but do it in a more orderly manner by putting the club up for sale and is prepared to commit his efforts to achieving that. All we can do is let him get on with that aim because the alternative is not in anybody's interest. However he is not prepared to suffer any more abuse whilst trying his best to achieve new and genuine ownership. I think in his position I would say the same. I certainly wouldn't be keen to do the best I can for people who were calling me everything from a pig to a dog. Unless anybody has a better idea I suggest we let him get on with it and see if he can pull it off. Unless we can find the money to sever his links with the club like here and now, I don't see where we have any other choice.

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Give Kevin his meds back.

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Are you buying the beer Mr G. :wink:

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what I dont get is Raj thiking the 'abuse' on Saturday was bad....a few chants of get out of our club and that was it, fairly mild compared to what its been in the past for others.

There were a few people swearing at the players at the end but not aware of any other staff being abused?


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It is well documented that Raj is sensitive to criticism and he is probably used to getting his own way. He sees himself as the man who saved the club and has difficulty in understanding the fact that gratitude can soon turn to hatred in the world of footy fans, if things start to turn sour.
We all must have lifetime experiences where a good turn gets thrown back in our faces, or the faces of people close to us.
He is experiencing that and doesn't understand it causing him to fail to grasp it.
He has form when it comes to situations that are happening.
In the interview with Chandy he expressed surprise that Challinor got all the plaudits for our promotion back to the EFL. I think he expected HIS name to be chanted.

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It is well documented that Raj is sensitive to criticism and he is probably used to getting his own way. He sees himself as the man who saved the club and has difficulty in understanding the fact that gratitude can soon turn to hatred in the world of footy fans, if things start to turn sour.
We all must have lifetime experiences where a good turn gets thrown back in our faces, or the faces of people close to us.
He is experiencing that and doesn't understand it causing him to fail to grasp it.
He has form when it comes to situations that are happening.
In the interview with Chandy he expressed surprise that Challinor got all the plaudits for our promotion back to the EFL. I think he expected HIS name to be chanted.


Yep, hated the fist pump stuff. Raj was happy enough coming over to us fans at the end of the play-off game. He got plenty of cheers that afternoon. Football is a results business - how can he pretend not to know that sctatchinghead


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Are you buying the beer Mr G. :wink:


Never been to Bishops new ground, The old yes.
In an offical position, When i first met Tony Lee, Excellent bloke.
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 Post subject: Re: Raj Singh - the future.
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It is well documented that Raj is sensitive to criticism and he is probably used to getting his own way. He sees himself as the man who saved the club and has difficulty in understanding the fact that gratitude can soon turn to hatred in the world of footy fans, if things start to turn sour.
We all must have lifetime experiences where a good turn gets thrown back in our faces, or the faces of people close to us.
He is experiencing that and doesn't understand it causing him to fail to grasp it.
He has form when it comes to situations that are happening.
In the interview with Chandy he expressed surprise that Challinor got all the plaudits for our promotion back to the EFL. I think he expected HIS name to be chanted.


Yep, hated the fist pump stuff. Raj was happy enough coming over to us fans at the end of the play-off game. He got plenty of cheers that afternoon. Football is a results business - how can he pretend not to know that sctatchinghead


He did that at wembley too, took the plaudits etc and then pulled the plug 6 months later.
Sure I saw some Smurfs round London that day! Some proper miserable ones at a pub near Kings Cross :-D


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he deserved credit for the playoff win...same as he deserves criticism for this relegation.


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he deserved credit for the playoff win...same as he deserves criticism for this relegation.


That was thenbut This is here now.
Results buisness.


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he deserved credit for the playoff win...same as he deserves criticism for this relegation.


Not that much credit. He didn't exactly splash the cash. He did appoint DC though. That was definitely to his credit.


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It is well documented that Raj is sensitive to criticism and he is probably used to getting his own way. He sees himself as the man who saved the club and has difficulty in understanding the fact that gratitude can soon turn to hatred in the world of footy fans, if things start to turn sour.
We all must have lifetime experiences where a good turn gets thrown back in our faces, or the faces of people close to us.
He is experiencing that and doesn't understand it causing him to fail to grasp it.
He has form when it comes to situations that are happening.
In the interview with Chandy he expressed surprise that Challinor got all the plaudits for our promotion back to the EFL. I think he expected HIS name to be chanted.

with fans it will always be the players first, the manager second and the owner coming a poor 3rd unless you get publicity seekers like the wrexham lot. even football nerds who can answer any quiz type question going will be hard pushed to name any club owners that carry on with zeropublicity in the national media.


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I always think owning a club is a form of masochism. You venture into something that challenges the rules of business these people own and are usually successful at. You have to appoint managers on the advice of advisors to buy players you have no idea of, rather like running your business with no control over the workforce or understanding its workings.
Then everyone from fans to the media are giving you advice on what should be done they have to be kept on side. Success is fleeting and soon shelved and new targets keep popping up………but still they think they can nail it, they can’t, but some just get lucky.
We didn’t.

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I don't have an opinion on Russ Green coming back one way or the other as I suspect it will never happen. I can see the nostalgia aspect as he was associated with a long period of stability at the club with IOR in charge. He does have a couple of skeletons in the cupboard though.

His very public gullibility during the Monkey Hangers' fraudsters attempted takeover is one. John Hughes' frustration with Green when he was manager is another - Yogi accused him of personal vindictiveness in blocking his attempts to sign players in another Pools relegation battle.


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I always think owning a club is a form of masochism. You venture into something that challenges the rules of business these people own and are usually successful at. You have to appoint managers on the advice of advisors to buy players you have no idea of, rather like running your business with no control over the workforce or understanding its workings.
Then everyone from fans to the media are giving you advice on what should be done they have to be kept on side. Success is fleeting and soon shelved and new targets keep popping up………but still they think they can nail it, they can’t, but some just get lucky.
We didn’t.

for me players are as good as there last match. owners are as good as there last seasons appointments and final league position. until these is an improvement seen season after season they are going to get some stick. If we,d have finished 17th again this season, did the same next raj would be accused of having no ambition and happy with the club being where they are. fans are just not happy anymore to see a few memorable games but the team must win under any circumstances to keep em happy.


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will raj as a parting gift take away the chip fryers and serve us warm cold water next season. we need to know.


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Think myself he,s already halfway out the door, With or without a buyer.

Who in their right minds would Threaten supporters who have backed him and the club with hard earned cash.
And then would expect them to fork out for season tickets again this summer.

IT STINKS.


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Think myself he,s already halfway out the door, With or without a buyer.

Who in their right minds would Threaten supporters who have backed him and the club with hard earned cash.
And then would expect them to fork out for season tickets again this summer.

IT STINKS.

Raj is down at the moment and he doesn't like it. He is not threatening anybody he is
quite categorically stating that he doesn't want kicking as well. It's more than a threat it is a statement of reality. You kick me and I'll kick you back. I'm surprised people can't see that, especially as we have seen an example during his Darlo days of what he is capable of. He is leaving us in no doubt that he doesn't want any more flak. If you want absolute proof of this keep kicking him and we'll all find out.
We probably will find ourselves in the conference north but we don't have to help to make it a certainty.

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Think myself he,s already halfway out the door, With or without a buyer.

Who in their right minds would Threaten supporters who have backed him and the club with hard earned cash.
And then would expect them to fork out for season tickets again this summer.

IT STINKS.

Raj is down at the moment and he doesn't like it. He is not threatening anybody he is
quite categorically stating that he doesn't want kicking as well. It's more than a threat it is a statement of reality. You kick me and I'll kick you back. I'm surprised people can't see that, especially as we have seen an example during his Darlo days of what he is capable of. He is leaving us in no doubt that he doesn't want any more flak. If you want absolute proof of this keep kicking him and we'll all find out.
We probably will find ourselves in the conference north but we don't have to help to make it a certainty.


And the flak he is getting is from a handful, Considering the gates we get.
So HE has decided to listen/ use the minority route.

And make no mistake about it , It was certainly was a threat.
And i,ll kick you back, really.

What about the supporters who haven,t said a thing, Why is he kicking them.
And that is why it is a threat, He is treating loyal supporters the same as the gobshites.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
derwent wrote:
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Think myself he,s already halfway out the door, With or without a buyer.

Who in their right minds would Threaten supporters who have backed him and the club with hard earned cash.
And then would expect them to fork out for season tickets again this summer.

IT STINKS.

Raj is down at the moment and he doesn't like it. He is not threatening anybody he is
quite categorically stating that he doesn't want kicking as well. It's more than a threat it is a statement of reality. You kick me and I'll kick you back. I'm surprised people can't see that, especially as we have seen an example during his Darlo days of what he is capable of. He is leaving us in no doubt that he doesn't want any more flak. If you want absolute proof of this keep kicking him and we'll all find out.
We probably will find ourselves in the conference north but we don't have to help to make it a certainty.


And the flak he is getting is from a handful, Considering the gates we get.
So HE has decided to listen/ use the minority route.

And make no mistake about it , It was certainly was a threat.
And i,ll kick you back, really.

What about the supporters who haven,t said a thing, Why is he kicking them.
And that is why it is a threat, He is treating loyal supporters the same as the gobshites.


We all know what he is doing, it is painfully obvious but there is no point in ANY of our supporters giving him the opportunity of saying the fans are to blame, which he will do if the abuse, AS HE SEES IT, continues. The only opinion here is Raj's. He is the only one with the power to influence this situation.
Why did he kick the Supporters of Darlo who didn't say anything. He has already said he was going to walk away after the Crawley game but on reflection he didn't want to hurt his hard working staff AND the loyal supporters BUT BUT BUT he subsequently threatened (if you insist on that) that if the flak continued he would walk away.
It can't be more obvious than that.

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Singh said on his interview that putting HUFC up for sale was probably the hardest decision in his life!

That would be harder than driving to Sheffield (I think) - going into a courtroom and putting D.F.C into administration, ie starting a chain of events that very nearly put Darlington F.C. into the history books as an ex club.

As a Darlo fan I have every sympathy for Hartlepool's predicament at present! Right now, Singh has to be watched very closely as he'll be wanting the max back out of your club and he will be prepared to use any means to do it. He's lost interest now - he just needs an exit, by hook or by crook.


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Can't see him going anywhere anytime soon, there's parachute money, ST sales, maybe transfer fees coming in, will he really just walk away?


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I think it was a veiled threat about selling Pools, wasn’t Singh the only interested party the last time encouraged by Hignett.


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I get the feeling he’s here for the foreseeable future too, maybe to see how next season kicks off, but we need players and would an owner contemplating leaving be willing to provide the funding……? It’s a funny one.

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it is a funny one. was he actually hurting like the rest and the action of some fans caused him to kick back as he saw it the only way he could. would that statement have been done if we had beaten crawley or saved it if barrow had beaten us yesterday. some people need a punching bag to keep their utter flustrations at bay. bet there are a few poolies who have had rows at home the last week with someone in the house who are not bothered about pools. at least her in the kitchen knew when not to speak. do not know if he was at the game yesterday but if he was the fans in the second half might have made him feel that he wished he had worded things differently.


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How about approaching Musgrave and Corney as they will or soon will have the cash to invest and get themselves some good publicity for a change after the Teesworks "acquisition"

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must be great supporting a club 4th in the premier league destined for the champions league and moaning more than we do about there owners.


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Interesting article here how The Boro stadium was funded, maybe Houchen could buy the ground for Pools for a £1 same as the Boro paid for the land ?
https://intelligenceuk.com/teesside-is- ... eve_Gibson’s_company_so_what_was_the_Corporation_doing_funding_it_in_the_first_instance_we_ask


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