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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:36 am 
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If all petrol and diesel cars will cease production after 2030, the roads will be a lot clearer because most ordinary people won’t be able to afford one. Like petrol ( the Norwegians are stopping the sale of petrol after 2025) you’ll have a separate meter for your car controlled by the big power companies so no competition there then. The days of the cheap runabout will be gone forever as an afternoon drive into the country on your E scooters won’t be quite the same and public transport an expensive and crowded nightmare with a captive customer base.
I think we’re going backwards as our freedom will now be restricted.

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 Post subject: Re: Cars
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If all petrol and diesel cars will cease production after 2030, the roads will be a lot clearer because most ordinary people won’t be able to afford one. Like petrol ( the Norwegians are stopping the sale of petrol after 2025) you’ll have a separate meter for your car controlled by the big power companies so no competition there then. The days of the cheap runabout will be gone forever as an afternoon drive into the country on your E scooters won’t be quite the same and public transport an expensive and crowded nightmare with a captive customer base.
I think we’re going backwards as our freedom will now be restricted.


Ceasing production but petrol/diesel cars will be around for years to come, it will be interesting if spare parts will still be available ?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:02 am 
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Makes me laugh when I hear people saying they're switching to an EV to save money when a bit of basic maths says otherwise.
Just keep running your ICE car for as long as possible. Meanwhile daft buggers and eco freaks will throw all their money at the car manufacturers who will use it to bring production costs down. By the time the rest of us are forced into EVs they'll hopefully be a lot cheaper.


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I still find electric cars the choice of the posers or preachers…. the range alone is reason enough not to buy one.

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The deadline has been pushed back to 2040, so it gives you another 10 years of trips out to the country in your runaround Snowy!!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:19 am 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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If all petrol and diesel cars will cease production after 2030, the roads will be a lot clearer because most ordinary people won’t be able to afford one. Like petrol ( the Norwegians are stopping the sale of petrol after 2025) you’ll have a separate meter for your car controlled by the big power companies so no competition there then. The days of the cheap runabout will be gone forever as an afternoon drive into the country on your E scooters won’t be quite the same and public transport an expensive and crowded nightmare with a captive customer base.
I think we’re going backwards as our freedom will now be restricted.


Ceasing production but petrol/diesel cars will be around for years to come, it will be interesting if spare parts will still be available ?

do not worry about spare parts as the chinese will be setting up manufacturing plants already to keep us all going. the british government will ban their manufacture putting more out of work to give the opportunity to other countries.


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I still find electric cars the choice of the posers or preachers…. the range alone is reason enough not to buy one.

yes, their owners really boil my piss when they think they are saving the planet on their own. they cannot or do not want to know the bigger world picture.


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The deadline has been pushed back to 2040, so it gives you another 10 years of trips out to the country in your runaround Snowy!!

Depends on the whim of politicians…… but another18 years of taking she who must be obeyed’ out on a run out is a big call. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Cars
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poolie1966 wrote:
The deadline has been pushed back to 2040, so it gives you another 10 years of trips out to the country in your runaround Snowy!!


Can you provide a link please. This would be excellent news IMO.


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Infidel wrote:
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The deadline has been pushed back to 2040, so it gives you another 10 years of trips out to the country in your runaround Snowy!!


Can you provide a link please. This would be excellent news IMO.


It was something I read or heard on the news sometime before Christmas, I don't have a link.


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 Post subject: Re: Cars
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poolie1966 wrote:
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poolie1966 wrote:
The deadline has been pushed back to 2040, so it gives you another 10 years of trips out to the country in your runaround Snowy!!


Can you provide a link please. This would be excellent news IMO.


It was something I read or heard on the news sometime before Christmas, I don't have a link.


I've always thought this 2030 target would drift however I've had a hunt round the interweb and can't find anything. The only thing I've found is that sales of new hybrid cars will be allowed until 2035. (WOW :laugh: )

I agree with O.P. though - cars in the future will become soulless, one dimensional and dull. We'll probably get a minimal choice of models and the vehicle itself will be rammed with computers that are designed to stop any kind personal decision making and in general to monitor our whereabouts and speed. I'm not advocating speeding here (my license is clean) but it looks like it will turn out to be very Big Brotheresque.


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I agree with O.P. though - cars in the future will become soulless, one dimensional and dull. We'll probably get a minimal choice of models and the vehicle itself will be rammed with computers that are designed to stop any kind personal decision making and in general to monitor our whereabouts and speed. I'm not advocating speeding here (my license is clean) but it looks like it will turn out to be very Big Brotheresque.

mind you we are not too far away from that alreasy with conventional cars. many look the same already especially the SUV w ere you need to look at the badge to see who manufactured it. even the younger generation have little interest in cars anymore and the old top gear lovers will be in their 30,s now. they have been brainwashed on the environment and any speeding no matter what the conditions is akin to drinking and driving. seen it this week as driving in icy conditions where they have to go 30, 40 or whatever the speed limit is and push you if you actually drive to the road condition.


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Tell you what is pissing me off….headlights. People with those new ultra white piercing beams …..and a lot of people don’t drive with dipped headlights, they just have them on the top setting and dazzle you oblivious to their own ignorance or just don’t give a toss.

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Tell you what is pissing me off….headlights. People with those new ultra white piercing beams …..and a lot of people don’t drive with dipped headlights, they just have them on the top setting and dazzle you oblivious to their own ignorance or just don’t give a toss.

there is actually a legal brightness they can have but many buy after market ones and get away with it because the law is difficult to enforce. come MOT time they revert back to manufactures spec. really they are more dangerous than going a few MPH over the speed limit as they are blinding and you cannot see anything between you and them.


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 Post subject: Re: Cars
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Snowy wrote:
I still find electric cars the choice of the posers or preachers…. the range alone is reason enough not to buy one.


Maybe thats the plan, like we see with the proposals in Oxford to restrict residents movements, they will probably try and stop people, or make it difficult, to use their cars to go outside their own location and have to use public transport instead. Lack of range on the leccy cars would certainly help on that.


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loan_star wrote:
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I still find electric cars the choice of the posers or preachers…. the range alone is reason enough not to buy one.


Maybe thats the plan, like we see with the proposals in Oxford to restrict residents movements, they will probably try and stop people, or make it difficult, to use their cars to go outside their own location and have to use public transport instead. Lack of range on the leccy cars would certainly help on that.

Drive down to Portsmouth and you’ll need to stop overnight with lack of range and long charging times.
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but do you ever get the feeling we are being herded like cattle and brainwashed to see driving as bad. I really believe most politicians of ALL Party’s have a huge number who have went into politics from Uni with no concept of work and consequently look at the world through the eyes of a mature student.

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 Post subject: Re: Cars
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Drive down to Portsmouth and you’ll need to stop overnight with lack of range and long charging times.

Mate of mine has just taken ownership of a Kia EV6 (not bought obviously, that would be stupid). 328 mile range and fast charge to 80% in 18 minutes. Th technology is there but what chance of finding an unoccupied fast or rapid charger when you need it. Until infrastructure meets the needs of the ever increasing number of EVs I can't see me giving up my reliable diesel any time soon.


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I don’t even think we have enough Power Plants to supply all the electricity which will be required to charge electric cars. A special socket is required, who is going to fund the installation in households, it’s not simply a case of plugging an EV into a 13 amp socket.


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If electric cars become the norm there’ll be a big drop in car ownership on cost alone, plus the fuel supply will come from the big power companies who I anticipate will insist you have a separate meter in your home so they and the tax man (who will charge duty on it) will have you trussed up like a turkey.
If you run out of petrol or diesel you fill a Jerry can up…..you can’t fill it up with leccy. :laugh:

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From 2025 Electric cars will have to pay road tax, force people to buy one then tax them, I remember we were encouraged to buy diesel cars as they were more economical and at the time diesel was cheaper, not now it’s 20p more a litre.


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Once something becomes popular and cheaper it becomes a sitting duck for any government to tax…….. it’s a basic instinct of them. :roll:

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loan_star wrote:
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I still find electric cars the choice of the posers or preachers…. the range alone is reason enough not to buy one.


Maybe thats the plan, like we see with the proposals in Oxford to restrict residents movements, they will probably try and stop people, or make it difficult, to use their cars to go outside their own location and have to use public transport instead. Lack of range on the leccy cars would certainly help on that.

public transport is a fine alternative as long as there is plenty of it and its much cheaper than at present. unless the whole thing goes into public ownership and service comes before profit most people may be fine. the big pronlem is no matter how many buses and trains do run not everyone will be able to get to work on them as there is always going to be some place thats difficult to get to by needing two or three separate journeys. that will create another big problem with the choice of moving house or job. a vicious circle created by theory driven politicians.


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wonder if one party would offer us a referendum on all these green issues but after the brexit shock i,ll doubt we,ll see another anytime soon. about time they serve us and not the other way round.


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Who scuffed my f---- car parked up on the seafront today and drove off is what i want to know..


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I blame the darkies


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accrington fan wrote:
wonder if one party would offer us a referendum on all these green issues but after the brexit shock i,ll doubt we,ll see another anytime soon. about time they serve us and not the other way round.


I thought we had one every few years called General Election?


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wonder if one party would offer us a referendum on all these green issues but after the brexit shock i,ll doubt we,ll see another anytime soon. about time they serve us and not the other way round.


I thought we had one every few years called General Election?

Trouble is they’re all offering the same naive green agenda, so you have no choice.
Generally speaking the politicians inhabit another planet compared to the rest of us and keep pandering to the shrieks of every tiny pressure group while infuriating the electorate.

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Snowy wrote:
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wonder if one party would offer us a referendum on all these green issues but after the brexit shock i,ll doubt we,ll see another anytime soon. about time they serve us and not the other way round.


I thought we had one every few years called General Election?

Trouble is they’re all offering the same naive green agenda, so you have no choice.
Generally speaking the politicians inhabit another planet compared to the rest of us and keep pandering to the shrieks of every tiny pressure group while infuriating the electorate.

got to the point now there is just no point in voting. think if one of the two parties with a chance of being elected dumped the woke and green issues they,d walk it. still think the majority have not been won over by the green issues


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There is now a scheme where you can be paid FOR NOT using electricity because infrastructure can’t provide enough, yet we rush headlong on into forcing all cars onto electric. Am I missing something here?


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Who scuffed my f---- car parked up on the seafront today and drove off is what i want to know..

even driving a couple of miles to the shops or taking the dogs up the moor is now a piss boiling exercise now. parking on junctions, cutting out in front of you with nothing behind you and waiting for a couple of women to cross the road who are in deep conversation and have no interest in crossing are just 3 things since monday i have encounted. just make the driving test harder, re teat everyone else at their own cost and the roads may then get quieter with no need for electric cars anyway.


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