The acid test of where this government is going is if Rees Mogg get a cabinet post.
If he does then nothing will change.

or like the labour party would also be with a large majority. too broad a church in both to .accomadate everyone with different opinions. so many do not want to rock the boat so the partys remain dead centre and we never see much change ourselves when one group displaces the other. been really the same now for 25 years where only your mind is happier with one party in over the other

Hes has quit before being sacked.

Have they really gone…?

No doubt the new nitemare team of Sunak n Hunt will tax the shit out of us for the next 26 months.
Bastads

Suella Braverman is back in as Home Secretary so the empty planes will continue not flying migrants to Rwanda - provided they can find a new airline willing to pretend to be ready to make the flights.

That’s the problem Snowy, they could be waiting in the wings and I am sure the right wing media will be also waiting to discredit the Labour Party. Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP, he is sitting as an Independent due to the whip being removed for supporting Stop the War Group.
I believe Johnathan Brash is putting himself forward for the next Labour candidate for Hartlepool

I got the distinct impression the local Labour group were pushed to one side and Starmer choreographed the show and brought in the man who masterminded the loss of hospital services in Hartlepool, then campaigning that they should be brought back. I suspect the local Labour Party would have spotted the obvious drawback.

Well Sunak has put together his new cabinet but all i see is a shuffling of the deckchairs.
In order to appease all wings of the party he risks having a dysfunctional cabinet.
Hes trying to polish a turd.

I reckon he’ll tone it down, it’ll go quiet, no more Boris flamboyance, just political tumbleweed which is perfect for the situation they find themselves in.

I agree Snowy, it’ll go quiet, nothing controversial will be announced, they need to stop fighting amongst themselves. Labour was always the party which was squabbling but the Tories used to always be United no matter what.

I think re appointing suella braverman has got Sunak of on the wrong foot, sacked a week earlier for sending confidential emails from her own email account, she is a barrister so should have known better.

She's a Tory so thinks she's untouchable.

Suella probably did a deal with Sunak for her public support. Rishi could not really risk her supporters going to Boris/Penny as if it went to a run off with members he had a good chance of losing no matter who he was up against.

Cruella said in public she can’t wait till the first plane full of asylum seekers takes of for Rwanda but as I said before failded to mention the plane is not coming back empty.
Andrew Marr said on LBC Sunak should now sack her or she should resign, she is a threat to national security.

Before Cruella we had that Pritti Patel.
The spitting image character was actually an improvement on reality.

Denise Coffey no longer the Health Secretary, with no disrespect she wasn’t exactly a great advert for a Health Secretary.

Who are you saying “masterminded” the loss of hospital services?

I am sure there was a photo of Ian Wright sitting on a JCB at the proposed new hospital site ?

Services at Hartlepool were moved when both Labour and the Conservatives were in power and its was because there were not a sufficient level/numbers of qualified clinical staff available to run the services safely. By centralising services you get efficiencies (and yes economies) of scale.
Dont let any politician blame anyone else its all bollocks. It was a decision of the Clinical Heads.

That’s the problem Snowy, they could be waiting in the wings and I am sure the right wing media will be also waiting to discredit the Labour Party. Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP, he is sitting as an Independent due to the whip being removed for supporting Stop the War Group.
I believe Johnathan Brash is putting himself forward for the next Labour candidate for Hartlepool[/quote]
I got the distinct impression the local Labour group were pushed to one side and Starmer choreographed the show and brought in the man who masterminded the loss of hospital services in Hartlepool, then campaigning that they should be brought back. I suspect the local Labour Party would have spotted the obvious drawback. [/quote]

Who are you saying “masterminded” the loss of hospital services?[/quote]

Services at Hartlepool were moved when both Labour and the Conservatives were in power and its was because there were not a sufficient level/numbers of qualified clinical staff available to run the services safely. By centralising services you get efficiencies (and yes economies) of scale.
Dont let any politician blame anyone else its all bollocks. It was a decision of the Clinical Heads.[/quote][/quote]

The Tories blocked the new hospital, efficiencies mean a reduction in services, they didn’t want to duplicate services meaning more specialist medical people that’s if they could find any.I think the new hospital was a good idea as both NT and Hartlepool are very old and must be costing a fortune in maintaining them. Unfortunately the site for the hospital was sold of at a loss as they couldn’t recoup the VAT on the purchase price, it is now a housing estate.
The Tories have promised to build 40 new hospitals but as far as I aware none are under construction.

I got the distinct impression the local Labour group were pushed to one side and Starmer choreographed the show and brought in the man who masterminded the loss of hospital services in Hartlepool, then campaigning that they should be brought back. I suspect the local Labour Party would have spotted the obvious drawback. [/quote]

Who are you saying “masterminded” the loss of hospital services?[/quote]

Services at Hartlepool were moved when both Labour and the Conservatives were in power and its was because there were not a sufficient level/numbers of qualified clinical staff available to run the services safely. By centralising services you get efficiencies (and yes economies) of scale.
Dont let any politician blame anyone else its all bollocks. It was a decision of the Clinical Heads.[/quote][/quote]

The Tories blocked the new hospital, efficiencies mean a reduction in services, they didn’t want to duplicate services meaning more specialist medical people that’s if they could find any.I think the new hospital was a good idea as both NT and Hartlepool are very old and must be costing a fortune in maintaining them. Unfortunately the site for the hospital was sold of at a loss as they couldn’t recoup the VAT on the purchase price, it is now a housing estate.
The Tories have promised to build 40 new hospitals but as far as I aware none are under construction.[/quote]
Specialist medical staff are like rocking horse shit and are not particularly interested in going to backwaters like Hartlepool, Scarborough or Carlisle they like big sexy hospitals with lots of research etc.
A new hospital north of the tees is desperately needed as NT in particuler is falling apart.
Yes where are these 40 new hospitals? Of course you can promise the world when knowing the likelihood is you wont be around come the reckoning.

might be just lucky, but both of us have found hospitals fine where care and treatment are concerned. its the first port of call the GP where the problems now lye. easier for pools to sign a couple of top players than getting through for an appoinrment and if you are lucky you may see a nurse. what do these GP actually do nowadays.

Looks like the new Home Secretary is being provocative to take the heat of Sunak and the damage he is going to inflict on us all.
Playing the race card thats all it is.

Can’t get the staff, has been the standard mantra for the 20 years and to my surprise in Pompey in 2006 I once heard the same script to a word on their local news …that we were being fed here.

They can’t get the staff because they don’t pay decent wages in some instances, between 60/70% of people on Universal Credit work although most of them only work part time due to family commitments or know they only need to work part time and can claim benefits, catch 22 situation.

More planned fog to divert our attention.

Hancock on Celebrity Get Me Out.

Got me payslip for 6th of November.
The date the government said NI contributions ("health tax) was getting reversed 13.25% to 12%.
Still paying the higher rate.
Anyone else paying the higher rate still.

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More planned fog to divert our attention.

Hancock on Celebrity Get Me Out.

well he has the right surname for that so called entertaining television. what next, johnson on love island.

If shite like that can divert anyones attention they need sectioning for life.

or have their vote taken away from them.

He already has been suspended.

Surely he should he put into orbit and kicked out.

I think that Matty boy is taking the piss.
ITV offer him a contract to do a reality show. The BBC are all over it like a rash. The same BBC that gave other politicians a contract on Strictly, including a Lib Dem gadgie who was a coalition cabinet minister at the time of his "dancing".
When Dan Walker and Naga Munchetty had time off to do Strictly were their salaries stopped, that's salaries paid by license payers.
The whole thing is a farce and, as I said, Hancock is taking the piss.
Now he's dragged all the two faced twats out of the woodwork, it wouldn't surprise me if he backed off.

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It’s a sad state of affairs not meaning you personally when the public are concerned about is Strictly and what ever reality show Hancock is going to appear on.
We live in a country where people can’t afford to heat their homes and having to go warm places and others are having to use food banks.

I would agree and for the record I haven't watched either of those shows but the media encourage anything which remotely suggests a headline. They are the ones who goad the public's interest and demand shock horror, whilst encouraging these so called celebrities to take part, which is the basis of my point and my calling it a farce. As you rightly point out we have bigger fish to fry.

It buries any bad news, Braverman must be breathing a huge sigh of relief as it takes the attention away from her.

Behave, you aren’t actually peddling conspiracy theories are you..,?
It’s in his name why he’s doing it…take away the ‘Han’ and you’re left with a massive ’cock’.

If you are suggesting that this is a government ploy to hide reality or bad news then that is bizarre Jamie. Are you really suggesting that Matt Hancock has allowed the party to scapegoat him into this situation just to protect a cabinet minister. You are taking far fetched to a different level. It's the sort of theory I would expect from the far left of the labour party. Momentum Theory it's called. Now there's a thought................

No the right wing media I believe many owned by the the Murdoch empire only publish what they see as their political beliefs.
An example is a couple of weeks ago there was a rally in London attended by thousands calling for the U.K. to rejoin the EU, I don’t recall seeing much publicity on the TV or in right wing media anything about this because they were in favour of brexit. I am not using this as I am ante brexit but the media only tell what suits them.
https://www.wionews.com/world/anti-brex ... -eu-527660

Health tax update which will effect all full time workers.
Payrolls have until January to backdate it from November 6th.

17th November is tax increase announcement day

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EEEEEEE Jamie, who would have thought of you as an anti brexiteer.

Re Hancock - it's straightforward.

We have someone who enjoys the spotlight, knows his political career is over and is looking to make some serious money in a short space of time.

Did anyone else notice when Sunak first walked into Downing St, there were loads of flunkies all gushing over him but Sunak cut Hancock dead, he 100% ignored him and walked on by.

possibly hancock will not stand again at the next election and end up as a tory ed balls on the box. what would be better on the bbc as having a hancock and balls show.

Hancock will be back for which party who knows just await a new right wing one to emerge.

I noticed this morning that the so called master economy of Europe has an inflation rate higher than ours at 10.4 %. I am referring to Germany, The Netherlands is over 14%.

Germany cocked up big time by trusting all their energy needs to Russia!

Obviously I didn't know about this until after war broke out, but other countries, other politicians and informed people must have seen this situation coming a mile off.

Now the Bank of England are saying we are heading into a 2 year recession, did anyone see that coming ?

It’s generally acknowledged the Bank of England is a bunch of wet blankets. There’s is the worst board in many a long year.
The EU is cocking things up even more than we are, so they‘re hardly anyone to look up to for an example…..a bunch of suits who flatter to deceive.