Got a 3 year ban for sticking 2 fingers up at a policeman at the darlo home game

For anyone who knows him i'm sure you'll agree he's as far away from being classed as a hooligan as you can get!!!

Was it on camera with anything else as it's not actually offence to do that?

I only know when I was 'spoken to' outside The Mall in Stockton some time ago for making a rapid hand gesture at a Copper whilst embarrasingly drunk, he admitted it wasn't an offence and he had no camera evidence to back up a Section 5 but then called me a 'tosser' laughed and told me to get on my way, I had my Parmo and was happy to oblige.

Not sure, but he's one of the most die hard poolies there is. The courts are handing out bans like there's no tomorrow.
The town end will never be the same without that lad

shocking

If you make obsence gestures to the Police don't be suprised if they do something about it.

Obscene my foooking arse!!!!

i don't go in the town end but I think I know who the bloke is that you are on about. Is he the one who used to sing the Chris Westwood (wild west) song on his own about 6-7 years ago?

It is a disgrace. Whatever happened to free speech? It's hardly crime of the century is it? The banning orders that are being dished out lately are ALL a phuqing joke and an infringement of human rights. None of them have been deserved, NOT ONE. How can it be an offence to make a hand gesture to someone...?

I think it's about time Ian Wright was bombarded with emails about this pathetic over the top dishing out of banning orders that everyone is getting.

If the policeman was so peeved why wasn't he charged with a criminal offence i.e. breach of the peace or something similar, he'd have only got a bound over. The guy was no-where near the ground for foooks sake.

Depends on your definition of obscene. Legally putting up or or two fingers is obscene. Either way, it was never going to get him a commendation.

You can't possibly justufy a 3 year ban for sticking 2 fingers up. pools will have sub 2000 crowds at this rate if they keep going. None of the bans have been justified in my opinion.

is there a petition to try and allow him back into the ground.

That's my feelings. 3 years is a bit harsh, a slap on the wrist would be reasonable.

Fair dos and all that, but why flick the V's at at copper, they are hardly going to come over and shake you by the hand are they?

I wasn't debating the sentence I was simply saying that with that action its reasonable to expect there to be a reaction. I agree though that three years seems draconian if this is the full story.

It's over aggressive and vengeful, unnecessary policing. It does nothing to enhance the reputation of the police service, nothing to enhance the community and only serves to restrict the individuals freedoms for little or no reason. Coppering because you can. Police discretion has gone for good.

Utterly pathetic.

I can see why people are now leaving this country. The longer you stay here, the greater the chance you'll get a criminal record for f**k all, because it's your money they are really after. The real scumbags are being let off the hook, because they won't pay their fines etc. Those people aren't bothered about jail - it's free board and lodgings to them.
I wouldn't even miss the football, it's getting that bad.
Cameras everywhere, smart cards/ID cards to be introduced monitoring everyone's movements. Stealth taxes to be introduced I'll bet once they find out what people's movements/hobbies etc are.
It's almost enough to make you vote liberal!!!!
Speaking of which, the Liberal political movement should really be hammering this point across, they should use this as their chance to push this kind of social injustice to the political forefront!!!

Dont know the lad but if its truly all he did then that is way out of order and there should be some kind of point made to those responsible

This is amazing,the lad must be gutted.

If the banning order is from the club then it is OTT on this one.

The front page of the Mail the other night gave an indication next season that the Police will be out in force with their heavy hand policing.

The ban was a result of a civil action brought by the police. Ducker and a lad called Eric who also travels all over the country watching pools both received a 3 year ban and a few hundred quid in court costs

The bans had nothing to do with pools!

Ok. so it was the Police who banned him and why 3 years for crying out loud.

Mininum ban pal. Whoever instigated that is obviously not a football fan.

3 year ban for sticking 2 fingers up seems way excessive, im guessing we dont know the whole story and more went on??

If it's going to be like this at Football then an awful lot of people are going to be banned.

If the police are going to such over-zealous measures to 'stop' people commiting 'criminal offences' then civil actions need to be applied right across the crime spectrum, for instance: if a person was known to associate with a convicted shoplifter or was in the vicinity of the convicted shoplifter when an offence was commited then the said person should be banned from every single shop in the country for 3 years.

Anyone agree?

Will it happen?

Why do us bloke do the wanker sign anyway?! It's hardly an insult!

and having read the hufc2005 board about this, is it really Barrier Guy?!

When we started drinking we used to drink in the engys where MN drank and he was a good lad who liked a good drink. we'd bump into him and his mates thro the night and was always sound with you - never any bother - just liked a sup.

even now 20 year or so later doesn't matter how drunk or sober he is - always has time of day for you.

he'll be gutted cos he is poolie thro n thro

for all those claiming there is more to what's happened than meets the eye, they don't know the lad. If lads like him are getting banned, ANYBODY could get banned.
ADG, by his own admission, has wound up away fans in the CK stand - and made gestures/shouted at players/officials etc.
So have I.
It's part of football.
However, they are now dishing out three year bans for it.
There HAS to be a backlash against these "civil" actions. How are they "civil" actions anyway? It's public money being used by a public body (ie the police). This is an outrage - they are attempting to crush our civil liberties in this way. Civil courts should be for settling domestic disputes/ divorces/ custody of children/ ownership of property etc.
NOT for banning football supporters.
Plus - how the f**k can they just bypass the criminal justice system like this, when effectively the cases involve accusations of criminal activity??
Maybe Karl Marx can shed more light on this - but even if it's within the law to do what they're doing, and despite the lawsuits being civil actions, does the conviction of these people mean they have any sort of criminal record? If so, the whole practice needs stamping out by whatever means necessary.
Maybe this country going under European law completely would outlaw this sort of thing and bollox the police's attempts to screw with people's lives. Hopefully all these convictions will be quashed in future - and a whacking great compensation package in each case to be paid out to deter the t-w-a-t-s from picking on football fans in future.

It's all to do with Tony's Targets.

If they don't get the nicks they don't get the funding, consequently they don't care who they nick and for what as long as they can tot up the figures for the funding.

It gives rise to those ridiculous situations like the kid who collected 157 donations to Children In Need and spent it all on sweets. They counted it as 157 'solved crimes' which makes a big hole in the monthly target.

It stinks.

Its all to do with our police wanting banning figures up. It shows they have nothing to go on in the criminal court as they would get laughed out, but are using these civil cases to scare some of the lads with over£1000 costs if guilty as you cant have legal aid in the civil cases. A few of the lads who have been banned have done nothing although OB have went back upto 10 yrs on pictures/videos. None have done anything, but have been done for 'associating' whatever that means. Bolllllocks!

Yea my mate Eric got a three year ban and i go to matches with him when I go away does this mean i'm associate with him.

Shame they did'nt make the scum bag who decided to trash my car with his boot after a tiff with his girlfriend pay up the compensation he owned me saying you are unlikley to get it if he has not paid it by a certain date.

Do we have anyone comes on here in the know regarding these civil cases, I cant be arsed going through the full Human rights act.

what I do know is this- if I ever got banned from football for anything like this, I sincerely hope they don't ever expect another penny from me over any turnstile ever again, because it wouldn't happen. The football clubs are implicit in this, and the people who now run football clubs are often brand new to the game, in comparison to how long some of these guys they are banning have been going to football. They are trying to create an environment where people are scared to even sneeze for fear of being banned. If that's what football is going to be like in the future, then they can shove it for me, like.
I'd save around £2k to £2.5k per year easily, once all the weekends away etc with the wife and the bairn are taken into account.

He didnt actually stick two fingers up at the police.Walking down church st after the match for a pint as he does after every game.Was with group of poolies and across the road werer the darlo fans,and along with all the rest of the poolies sang "your so sad its unbelievable" once.Thats the sum total of what he did.

Unbelievable, even less than what I was first told. Surely we can do something on here to highlight how innocent people like ducker are being so severely punished for absolutely fooook all.

Lets do something constructive, he is a big poolie and deserves some support.

Petition or something similar, come on, lets back the lad

Pissing in the wind. Too many power mad nazis in charge of these things nowadays.

I don't know the lad personally but anyone who has been to a game home or away would recognise him and know he bleeds Pools. A bad loss for away games as would losing any of the engineers lot.

If anyone is good with words they could start by contacting this fella.

http://www.iainwrightmp.org.uk/archives/2007/07/10.html

not sure he could/would do anything like but there are probably other avenue''s that all the lads who have been banned in this way could take. Can't the euro court of human rights overturn anything....?

Just been reading up on this and there is one interesting thing about the new rules...

"The definition of a football match includes matches on television. For example a person may be watching the match in a pub, wearing football colours, where a fight breaks out in the pub during or after the match.", thus don't do anything in pubs.

Don't do any fookin' thing full stop by the sound of it.
Or just walk around naked so no one can claim you are wearing football colours.

Then they'll do you for indicent exposure!

I simply do not believe that.

well you'd make a good copper then. They are making up stories about a LOT of people - I have seen the files from one or two individuals concerned. The claims/charges are so tenuous, it's pathetic. I could not believe what I was reading.

Obviously a mind reader. God help Rita Rogers

Well if you believe it or not does not really matter.It happens to be the truth.