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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:20 pm 
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Worth taking him back on loan or not?. See he was out on loan at Lancaster City towards end of last season. A bad career move if you ask me. A million miles away from PNE first team and don't think they even have a reserves side. It can only be the money, it makes no sense to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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Yes really bad career move not playing for the first team at Preston on championship wages instead of not playing for the first team at Pools on conference wages. Plus the signing on fee. Not that he was even getting paid on time last season at Pools or sure of being paid at all.
What was he thinking of.


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Yes really bad career move not playing for the first team at Preston on championship wages instead of not playing for the first team at Pools on conference wages. Plus the signing on fee. Not that he was even getting paid on time last season at Pools or sure of being paid at all.
What was he thinking of.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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Pretty sure horden meant Lancaster City was a bad career move, how is that preparing him for Preston's team? At least that's how I read it.

I can only assume Preston don't think he's ready for National League football, which begs the question why did they sign him?


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I did say it could only be the money. That won't last for ever if his career goes on a downward spiral , so it may turn out to be a false economy if money was the reason. I think he would of been better establishing himself at Pools, but of course he was another one who never got a fair crack of the whip, its happening with Hawkes now.

In the meantime he could resurrect his career by going out on loan to someone like Pools. With good coaching I'm sure he could be a half decent player at National League/ League 2 level.

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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Exactly he’s only 18, I’m not sure we’d benefit from having an 18 year old loanee at this level. Our squad is better than last season.

He was never going to Preston to feature anywhere near the first team at this stage, they signed potential to nurture and develop a target man who could possibly play for the first team in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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I think he needs to prove himself first at least national league north/south Or above for a fair few years if we get him back now it will only upset the current strikers at the club we already have 4 in Cassidy, Niko, James and Duninga and he's on the bench doing nothing if they bring him in our current crop of strikers will be scratching their head as to why we are bringing a striker in and it will just Nock their confidence and they already are misfiring a bit. Like PJ says he's only 18, He's got a lot to learn in the game if I where him i would off stayed here granted I know the club was in turmoil at the time and players and staff wernt getting payed etc But this feels like another Luke James situation again, I think he jumped ship to quick anyway he's a ex poolie wel probably see him here again one day like the rest off them.


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I was just putting the question out. I'm not sure he is ready either or whether he ever will be. Last time I saw him , although I think he may of scored , he was poor, that was v Liverpool youth team last season. I just think we need a bit of height up front, and if we are going to get someone in on loan, he would be as good as any young kid from Boro , Sunderland or Newcastle. Its also realistically possible he would want to come here as well.

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I think he needs to prove himself first at least national league north/south Or above for a fair few years if we get him back now it will only upset the current strikers at the club we already have 4 in Cassidy, Niko, James and Duninga and he's on the bench doing nothing if they bring him in our current crop of strikers will be scratching their head as to why we are bringing a striker in and it will just Nock their confidence and they already are misfiring a bit. Like PJ says he's only 18, He's got a lot to learn in the game if I where him i would off stayed here granted I know the club was in turmoil at the time and players and staff wernt getting payed etc But this feels like another Luke James situation again, I think he jumped ship to quick anyway he's a ex poolie wel probably see him here again one day like the rest off them.


If he proves himself first though , he will end up at Accrington or somewhere, you know that.

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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He was never going to Preston to feature anywhere near the first team at this stage, they signed potential to nurture and develop a target man who could possibly play for the first team in the future.

doubt he.ll be on a fortune either even though he is at a championship club. if he does come off for em its a good move but the worst thing that after his contract is up he,ll still get another club and it will be higher up than lancaster. its a win win situation for him and preston.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:22 pm 
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I think he needs to prove himself first at least national league north/south Or above for a fair few years if we get him back now it will only upset the current strikers at the club we already have 4 in Cassidy, Niko, James and Duninga and he's on the bench doing nothing if they bring him in our current crop of strikers will be scratching their head as to why we are bringing a striker in and it will just Nock their confidence and they already are misfiring a bit. Like PJ says he's only 18, He's got a lot to learn in the game if I where him i would off stayed here granted I know the club was in turmoil at the time and players and staff wernt getting payed etc But this feels like another Luke James situation again, I think he jumped ship to quick anyway he's a ex poolie wel probably see him here again one day like the rest off them.


If he proves himself first though , he will end up at Accrington or somewhere, you know that.


Then we may finally get that pre-season friendly of dreams!


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If you’re 17 n a championship club comes in for you at any lower league level you have to jump at the chance. You gotta back yourself. You never know what could happen you may get injured or they may go for someone else n your chance has then gone.

As others say he was a purchase for the future so say 60k isn’t a lot to Preston if it works out. Also 60k isn’t a lot they would miss if it doesn’t work out.

His sale also kept the club going so he probably felt he had to go to give the club a chance of staying afloat.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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Preston have a good track record for picking up kids at that age and developing them. They also have a good record for paying fees to clubs in financial difficulty to give them a bit of a helping hand. It was win-win-win at the time.

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If it was a way of helping us then fair enough n thanks Preston.

Now we just need some help from Accrington with a friendly n we’ll be set.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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We probably need to get rid of half a dozen rather than sign more; even ones with potential.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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phil wrote:
Preston have a good track record for picking up kids at that age and developing them. They also have a good record for paying fees to clubs in financial difficulty to give them a bit of a helping hand. It was win-win-win at the time.

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If it was a way of helping us then fair enough n thanks Preston.

Now we just need some help from Accrington with a friendly n we’ll be set.


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Don't worry about the Accrington friendly , its in hand :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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Exactly he’s only 18, I’m not sure we’d benefit from having an 18 year old loanee at this level. Our squad is better than last season.

He was never going to Preston to feature anywhere near the first team at this stage, they signed potential to nurture and develop a target man who could possibly play for the first team in the future.


Maybe that was their intention , but the reality is , it looks like they made a mistake. He played one game then finds himself loaned out to not a local league 2 or National League side but LANCASTER CITY. Don't blame the lad for taking the chance, but if it doesn't work out he may in future also agree that it was a bad move. Early days , as always only time will tell. He may bump into Brad Walker along the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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This is laughable

"They also have a good record for paying fees to clubs in financial difficulty to give them a bit of a helping hand" What sort of business would do that? especially a football club. FFS !

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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phil wrote:
They gave a fee for Tom Barkhuizen from Morecambe even though his contract was up when they were struggling a couple of years ago. Then they gave us a fee for a decent young striker. It probably makes good sense rather than fannying on with the tribunals and risking the player choosing someone else, to be honest.

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Helps build a good reputation amongst lower league clubs too if you ever want a player from them again. Or a friendly.

No reason for Preston to be an enemy of a club like ours.

They signed Conor as a 17 year old and the intention was for him to go straight into their academy squad which he did.

That was 7 months ago.

He’s 100% not a failure.


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[quote="Yubep"][quote="phil"]

Helps build a good reputation amongst lower league clubs too if you ever want a player from them again. Or a friendly.

No reason for Preston to be an enemy of a club like ours.

They signed Conor as a 17 year old and the intention was for him to go straight into their academy squad which he did.

That was 7 months ago.

He’s 100% not a failure.

totally agree. preston also might have something going with lancaster for taking their young players for proper match experiance as its fairly local for them.


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Now we just need some help from Accrington with a friendly n we’ll be set.
be careful what you wish for. pools might get offrande zanzala on loan.


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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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No need for a friendly with a league 1 side over 100 miles away, when you have a relationship with clubs such as Billingham Town, Shildon , Spennymoor and yawn Sunderland and Boro reserves

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 Post subject: Re: Conor Simpson
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When he went there he must have known he'd be nowhere near the first team and being farmed would be his lot for the forseeable future. He's serving his apprenticeship in football.
Why on earth would we want him back.
Is it a Pools thing where any ex player available or even unavailable is touted to come back by some people.

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Well I'm not one of them. I only asked the question , worth taking back on loan or not, was thinking of his height when I said that. I think I may of upset some people by stating I thought he had made a mistake moving to Preston. If Preston thought he was worth investing in, why wouldn't we want him back? on loan that is. If he is nowhere near the first team, he will end up being farmed out as you say, so what makes us so high and mighty that it wouldn't be here?.

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Preston took a punt because he was 17 years old and 6’5” and also pretty decent technically. You don’t get many of that type of striker and they always have potential to have a good career.

That doesn’t mean he’s ready for regular first team football yet, but it doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future either.

He’s not been at Preston anywhere near long enough to suggest if it’s a good move or not he’s only been there 8 months.


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Cant blame anyone for jumping ship and taking an increase in wages especially with the state we were in. Plus he will obviously get better coaching at Preston, the whole transfer made perfect sense to all parties (both clubs and the player)

Wouldnt want him back right now though, just doesnt fit into the style we play.

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