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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:07 pm 
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I feel, as chair of the trust I find it terrible in this day and age that people want to resort to violence to get a point across. What happened on saturday to a trust board member, was totally unacceptable. If we disagree with whats put down on social media then talk it out but not through threats. As for the rants coming out on the bunker site, it has to be said these are not the views of the trust board, they are totally of one of the proposed board directors. It now has come full circle to the point where what gets put on the bunker is taken as the trusts viewpoint, I cannot stress enough this is not repeat not the views of the board .


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Absolutely disgraceful and so so sad. These people are not fans just THUGS.!!!!

I cannot describe how vile they are.

Need to crawl back under their stones, never to resurface.


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For that to happen to someone who’s loyally supported pools for decades is beyond disgraceful. Basically these thugs are as thick as pig shit and are infuriated by anyone who can make them look silly with reason and intelligence.
I genuinely wouldn’t blame you for never going again but it’d be a sad day all round if that is the case.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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Chip and ECG both abused during games, supporting the team they love and have grown up with through thin and thinner is beyond reason.

They should be bombarded with gratitude for giving over their time and energy, and possibly more, to help the club instead of that bollocks.

In the last 2 years the decline both on and off the pitch of the club and on the associated social media is staggering. Utterly depressing

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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I'd take that last message down pretry sharpish. Can't be saying shit like that

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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THe problem is it seems they are justifying their attacks on people because they have been called ‘low lifes’ on here.

So basically they act disgracefully, threatening other fans at games, people on The Bunker comment negatively about it, this then justifies to them their behavior because they are being ‘abused/slagged off/called low life’s’ and blame the Trust because someone has persuaded them that the Bunker and the Trust are the same thing which is ridiculous. What a terrible vicious circle we are in, we are rightly disgusted with the incidents and say it, this then justifies and fuels it to go further.

Someone somewhere is having a good laugh about this, it is now 3 Trust Board members now who have either resigned or are close to doing so because they have been threatened by our own ‘fans’ at games this season. What I would like to understand clearly is who has whipped up this hatred and what their motives are.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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Dalton'sHaircut wrote:
THe problem is it seems they are justifying their attacks on people because they have been called ‘low lifes’ on here.

So basically they act disgracefully, threatening other fans at games, people on The Bunker comment negatively about it, this then justifies to them their behavior because they are being ‘abused/slagged off/called low life’s’ and blame the Trust because someone has persuaded them that the Bunker and the Trust are the same thing which is ridiculous. What a terrible vicious circle we are in, we are rightly disgusted with the incidents and say it, this then justifies and fuels it to go further.

Someone somewhere is having a good laugh about this, it is now 3 Trust Board members now who have either resigned or are close to doing so because they have been threatened by our own ‘fans’ at games this season. What I would like to understand clearly is who has whipped up this hatred and what their motives are.
it's pretty easy to work out to be fair.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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Wonder what the club think of this? and whether any action will be taken. I would like to think so.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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Wonder what the club think of this? and whether any action will be taken. I would like to think so.


They done nowt after ECG got abused and will more than likely do nowt again.

I know the reasons why, and it comes down to money n free publicity.

The clubs going to shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:20 am 
First post but feel compelled to do so.

As a trust member I am totally and completely appalled by that statement. I would go as far to say it is a spineless statement that does nothing but make the chairman look extremely spineless. The treatment of the board members is scandalous and shows up both the trust board and HUFC generally. I am calling for the chairmans resignation, and will be doing so in an email to the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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I am a member of the Trust and of the bunker. I don't accept the statement from the trust and I won't accept it until the author of that statement comes on here and explains, in detail with evidence, what he or she is referring to.
I also want to point out that in no way shape or form, in that particular statement, is the Trust speaking for me.
I go to Pools matches, including some away matches, with my wife and daughter, prior to that I went with my mates, prior to that I went with my Dad. That, briefly, takes me back to 1952 (some 65 years). My Dad started going to Pools before we were a Football league team and attended our very first football league game. That is my pedigree.
After Phil Dunn's experience at South Shields I was so shocked and angry that I took time to approach Pam Duxbury to register my disgust and contempt at this behaviour.
After the latest treatment dished out to Chip at Dover I am now in the position of not taking my wife and daughter to any future away matches until I, once again, feel they are safe.
I always considered they were safe because they are Poolies amongst Poolies and that fellow Poolies would defend them, because that's what Poolies do, or used to do.
I haven't made a decision on home matches yet but the questions I am asking myself include.....Do I want to be involved with this "new" club, who don't seem to care about the treatment long standing, loyal, law abiding supporters are being subjected to. Or....
Do I want to be involved with a Trust who are very silent about what is going on at away grounds and therefore appearing to ignore it. Two of their board members have been publicly abused already......how many more will it take.
Instead of their obsession with distancing themselves from the Bunker, why don't they get vocal about the .................. ( insert any word of your choice describing the "people" who are dishing out this abuse).
Don't the Trust know that a number of their members are also members of the Bunker and don't they know that there is a Trust destroying agenda in the air and don't they know who is behind that agenda...........it certainly isn't the Bunker.
My Dad would not have recognised what is going on and I certainly don't and I am not on my own.
Maybe it is simply time to call it a day and let these "people" have the club cos I really don't want to be associated with all this nonsense.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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A second statement this morning.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:11 pm 
Sorry but that second statement is even more ridiculous than the first. That man is an idiot. He seems to be saying that since he hasnt been attacked then its just personal so not directly associated with the trust. There needs to be an urgent vote of no confidence in him.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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The man is not an idiot.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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That man is an idiot.



I have my disagreements with Ron but that is both out of order and factually wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:09 pm 
OK I retract the idiot comment. Tell me what it should be replaced with because it is an appalling second statement. You seem to know him so can you ask him why he seems to have diffculty in just comdemning those involved, without making it sound like its all the fault of this fans forum?


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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poolietim wrote:
Chip and ECG both abused during games, supporting the team they love and have grown up with through thin and thinner is beyond reason.

They should be bombarded with gratitude for giving over their time and energy, and possibly more, to help the club instead of that bollocks.

In the last 2 years the decline both on and off the pitch of the club and on the associated social media is staggering. Utterly depressing


I've always felt that social media is pretty much the work of the devil. But when online name calling of complete strangers crosses over into physical violence the world really has gone mad.

Agree with you 100% poolietim. I hadn't even noticed that Phil/Elvis hardly ever posts on here any more, and then only when it's something music related.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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phil wrote:
The Trust board are too eager to wade into petty arguments on message boards. Realistically, this statement should have said "The Trust will not accept violence against its board members, or any other member. It denounces all violence perpetrated by Hartlepool United supporters, or any violence committed towards Hartlepool United supporters. If the Trust receives any information or intelligence about such actions, it will pass this information to the Police, the Football Association and Hartlepool United."

Instead, we have two statements trying to denounce violence and rants on a message board, like they're the same thing. If anything, more emphasis is put on distancing the Trust from the Bunker than anything else. I get that the Bunker is a divisive place, but these people have already decided it is one and the same with the Trust, so what's the point in trying to convince people otherwise?


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:36 pm 
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I ask again, what has the Leader of this Trust actually done this past 12 months ? He seems to have provided a platform for Pam to sell season tickets in May on the basis she will let him see the books in September then the fellow can't hold her to account. I spoke to a friend who was at the AGM the other week and he said the Chairman waffled for a bout 5 minutes then left his deputies to field the questions from the floor. Sounds like our own Town Mayor that does !!

He cant keep members of his own board from leaving nor can he find anyone willing to replace them , then seems more interested in not upsetting non members at the risk of upsetting members. Having read his second statement again he seems interested in saving his own bacon by saying the Anti Trust mob don't have an issue with him so there isn't a problem. Well they wouldn't have an issue with him if he is doing their job for them would they ? What a weak chap, that is not how to lead an organisation. God help the football club if he ever had to run that.


A touch unfair Valiant regarding stopping board members from leaving, they left due to being verbally abused and didn`t want an escalation into physical violence which nearly happened on Saturday, one was a female, we all tried to persuade them to stay but to no avail.
People have different levels of how they deal with things, I personally don`t give a hoot what people say about me and just get on with the job, I do it for the good of the trust, the pay is shit and so is the thanks, however when people jump on board and start slating the people doing it and there is no manual to work from, yes we have made errors, yes we will make others but if we learn from them then we have learnt something.

There are vacancies on the board if anyone would like to donate a couple of hours a week, strengths in areas of social media and leadership an added bonus!


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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phil wrote:
The Trust board are too eager to wade into petty arguments on message boards. Realistically, this statement should have said "The Trust will not accept violence against its board members, or any other member. It denounces all violence perpetrated by Hartlepool United supporters, or any violence committed towards Hartlepool United supporters. If the Trust receives any information or intelligence about such actions, it will pass this information to the Police, the Football Association and Hartlepool United."

Instead, we have two statements trying to denounce violence and rants on a message board, like they're the same thing. If anything, more emphasis is put on distancing the Trust from the Bunker than anything else. I get that the Bunker is a divisive place, but these people have already decided it is one and the same with the Trust, so what's the point in trying to convince people otherwise?



Yeah that would have been a great statement

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Statement.
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My slightly drunken view on the Trust hierarchy :

Ron H. 100% Pools. Totally committed to everything he does HUFC related. Should not have got involved in HUST. His blue and white blood doesn’t allow him to stand back.

MR I. His body language at the AGM spoke volumes. Needs to be the leading voice

Chip. Heart probably in the right place. Needs to back off. Too devisive. I think he knows this and enjoys it.


ECG. A massive massive loss.

The lady at the AGM. I don’t know what she does other than agree/disagree as the argument moves along

The Trust. A wonderful concept and one I’ve been a member of since day 1. However, I feel it currently has no future and needs to reevaluate its aims.

Laphroig. Wonderful

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:40 am 
Didnt the chap that wrote this bile lay a wreath on the centre circle when pools played Blyth? I am really not sure how those fronting the trust put up with such hypocracy. You would imagine that the younger fans from 5-6 years ago were playing with their train sets rather than reading a fans forum.

this is mine and many other people’s reason for not joining the trust. The trust was set up by the wrong people from the wrong place that board openly tried to organise protests during games while the team were fighting to keep us in the league under Ronnie Moore then they turned up wanting to front a supporters organision. Some ask why there is resentment by our younger fans and the reason for that is they have been mocked and called for 5 or 6 years every time the last game away fancy dress came around. They have been called some awful names on line and not condoning any of there actions but remember one day you might meet the person you are calling and that is when you have to enter the real world not cyberspace. never spoke to anyone that is anti trust and please don’t use this thread to be a slagging match I just thought there was a lot of one sided stuff getting put out there and that is my take on it.


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Iv always believed a Trust shouldnt be too cosy/close to the club.

Going from the AGM then John is essential to keep that distance in my opinion and the fact that some of the others dont seem to agree with him is a good thing.

A board that all agree/share same opinion with each other would be pointless imo.

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The main part of that post is a copy another board. The poster just hasn’t put quotation marks around it.

It was originally posted by ‘Shamrock’

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You are correct. My IT skills are somewhat lacking. Its maybe time to go back to just being a watcher.


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I was just pointing that out to Madjohn

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Was it before the season pam said the books would be shown? she also said their was interested parties in the club. Now nothing nobody seems to have a clue. Just a lot of scarmongering saying we could close in 3 months and now nobody looks like they want to touch us with a bargepole.


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If you’re suggesting it’s only scaremongering then you should of tell us what you know.

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If we can close in 3 months we are once again being badly mis managed. We certainly should not have 29 players and numerous coaches if that is the case. Has pam and co said their leaving in 3 months? How big is the debt?


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From the wrong place? Not sure what you mean by that. Most live in the town, all are Pools fans.


I suspect he means the Bunker given the subsequent comment about a board trying to organise protests at games.

Despite the fact that numerous attempts have been made to confirm that the Trust is not the Bunker some people will simply believe what they want to believe. To this end I agree with further attempts to drive this point home.

What people hostile to the trust seem to misunderstand is that the trust is simply a representation of the people who are in it at any one time. ANYONE can join. If the people who are so angry actually joined in sufficient numbers they would be able to vote out the people they are unhappy with. And they'd be able to influence proceedings in a manner that they see fit.

Unlikely to happen but that's the reality.


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A point that’s been made countless times and still doesn’t sink in!

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Saying the club could close in 3 months is not going to happen though is it? If it had no owners then yes i suppose that would be a possibility as it probobly has been for 100 years and for most other league clubs too. To me saying the club could close in 3 months is scaremongering. We will be here in 6 months just on a shit budget.


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Chip Fireball wrote:
I can only re-iterate what was said at the AGM. The club has given the Trust an idea of the current level of debt and what the owners are putting in month by month.

No idea if what was said was true, but there was no indication WHATSOEVER that the current owners are planning to leave any time soon, or that they would walk away without putting in place a plan to keep the club going.

This three months stuff is absolute conjecture on the part of individuals, based on the fact results are very poor and the club may be out of the promotion play off picture by the end of Feb at the rate it is currently going.

Bookies currently have us at 66/1 to get promoted so they reckon it almost certainly wont happen.

As was also said at The AGM the owners have two budgets in place for net season, one for if we go up, and one for if we don't. Given we are almost certainly not going up then its bleeding obvious we wont have as big a playing budget as we would not have the same income via the parachute payment.

The only thing they didn't mention was what would happen if we got relegated. I don't think anyone has even considered that a possibility, but if we carry on playing like we did at Dover it certainly isn't an impossibility.

NONE of this is scaremongering, it is simply The Trust telling its 800 paid members what they were told by the club.

Our last 3 home games are solihull, guisely and torquay if we cant reach 50 points even with this team we might as well get rid of the lot.


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I think a lot of people are chip. But if we give in then what? I still think with a manager that knows what he is doing things wont seem anywhere near as depressing. Christ even he got us on a run at one point playing utterly dreadful football.


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But we have been saying "we just need the right man" since Danny Wilson was sacked. We've been through 9 full time managers since then.


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Look if teams like dover can produce teams on 1000 crowds their is no reason we cant. We are in a way weaker league now we are no longer playing portsmouth, Sheff utd etc. Once were safe get as many as we can shipped out and get a manager who knows his stuff.


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End of the day with Magnay, Ledger, Watson(?) all back then we can now pretty much put out the team that won us them 4/5 games in a row again (Plus we have Newton/Cassidy etc back)

If Harrison has any sense he will surely do just that?

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Cassidys, newton and laings record at pools must make for scary reading. Without most of these new signings we somehow scraped results. Since they have all crept back into the team we have once again looked powder puff.


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Cassidys, newton and laings record at pools must make for scary reading. Without most of these new signings we somehow scraped results. Since they have all crept back into the team we have once again looked powder puff.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Look if teams like dover can produce teams on 1000 crowds their is no reason we cant. We are in a way weaker league now we are no longer playing portsmouth, Sheff utd etc. Once were safe get as many as we can shipped out and get a manager who knows his stuff.


There's an element of North v South here though. I played with the brother of a guy who now plays at Woking but had been at Dover last season. He played for Dover living in South London and I suspect quite a few others can do the same. On that basis Dover don't need to find players willing to relocate, they've already got a population of 15 million or so to draw from. Obviously they still have to find a way of paying them but I think it's much easier for them to have a conveyor belt of talent.

I follow Wokings results due to a friend of mine and year on year they lose half their team and have to start again and they always find a way (particularly always finding a 20 goal a year striker). But again they are a more attractive proposition than we are and if players don't need to move they don't need bigger incentives.


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Chip Fireball wrote:

Your best players don't necessarily make your best team.


That seems to be the crux of it, Harrison has no idea of his best team. Everything this season which has happened for the positive seems to be decisions that have been forced upon him, perfect example bringing Watson in after Harrison and Laing embarrassed us on national tele. I hope Watson comes back firing because having a decent centre half will surely improve things.


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I've always been baffled at the reaction by the many to Hawkins. Not just with fans but with the managers as well a few times after a slight spell around the first team he got loaned out to Spennymoor. I've always felt he did a decent shift although he doesn't score enough it's not as if any of our other centre midfielders get many either.


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