I don't see how you can do it correctly. What ever way you paint it you are mortgaging the future income streams.

It’s a managed scheme with limiting factors for a specific purpose as Loan Star said. It’s not an ideal scenario but needs must at the time. And those same fans are generally the ones who give extra monies in other ways. Probably not suitable or even required (you have access to a stadium) if you need to start again


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I was going to say 'unbelievable' but realised who you said posted it and nothing coming from him surprises me these days!!!!

It’s all for a reaction, there’s another thread that is total nonsense and barely typed in English that mentions me.

It’s not really worth a response to be honest it’s more of an amusing distraction from reality at the moment.

By the way is that Facebook page moderated at all?

Why do people think it’s alright to post cringeworthy homophobic shite on there about councilors, and worse someone has suggested putting a bullet in them? Does anyone thing that’s helpful right now? I’ve seen nothing as venomous about Coxall and Goldberg not that I’m advocating posting about shooting people. Whatever’s gone before we need the council and the council need us and even if we didn’t garbage like this is not acceptable is it?

Anyone choosing not to support a 'Phoenix' club is surely a very small minority of demented fundamentalists who want to end it all in some Gotterdammerung glory scene.
Best ignored and allowed to chunter to like minded chunterers.

The FB admin had the cheek the other week to call for the Bunker to be closed down before quickly deleting his message. Does zero moderating

It boils down to a couple of blokes being so painfully thick that they can’t see the difference between not wanting a pheonix club and being to open to the fact that in the dire state the club is in it’s a possibility, a very real one. No matter how much crap you post, no matter how much money you give to Sage no matter how much you bury your head in the sand the club has never been in a worse position. A lot of the troubles and bickering over however long this shite has lasted sadly has boiled down to people getting the wrong end of the stick and posting stuff that isn’t true. Again Lewis this morning is posting about ‘some’ people not wanting a pheonix club NOBODY WANTS A PHEONIX CLUB (maybe apart from Brian Potter) how many times does that have to be said for Christ’s sake, it’s comical. I’m sharing this latest nugget;

“They probably know a Phoenix club is not a popular choice, by what I have seen a heard, it is not what people want, and is not a popular choice, nothing to do with us, but they will say it is us doing it and stirring it up so to justify the fact it's not what people want, I think some thought it had the whole backing of the fans and town, but clearly hasn't”

Well here’s me thinking that our 110 year club that most of us have loved and supported since we were kids ceasing to exist would be extremely popular. Bring on liquidation!!!! I thought the full Town was right behind this? I heard people saying all the time when IOR were in charge during the good days was what we need at Pools are outright conmen to kill the club in no time and people hoping someone can come who steals loads of cash leaving the club in a mountain of debt on the verge of oblivion then we can have one of them pheonix clubs. What’s not to like!!

It absolutely beggars belief.

No one wants it. Some people are just fuckin sick of the people in charge so are open to it.



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It's bizarre that anybody thinks anybody actively wants a phoenix club but just to be clear here are my preferences in rank order.

1. I win the Euromillions and buy the club. I then run it superbly well and we ascend through the divisions eventually clinching the Premier League title with a 6-1 win at Old Trafford. We do all this while still playing at a slightly improved Vic and have a waiting list for season tickets but I refuse to make room for the glory hunters. Instead I use the TV money to provide free beer and chips for the loyal fans who remember the bad times. This isn't all that likely.

2. Somebody else with Pools best interests at heart and a lot of money buys the club and runs it well. They put supporters representatives on the board so if they sell it is unlikely to be to a bunch of crooks. This isn't very likely either but Harold Hornsey really did exist so you never know.

3. A consortium including Noddy Holder and Shane MacGowan buy the club. They promise all future royalties from Merry Christmas Everybody and A Fairytale of New York to club funds and we go on spending sprees every January as the cash rolls in. Fans representatives are invited to help to run the club because Noddy can't be arsed and Shane is far too pissed.

4. A consortium of local businesses, the Trust and a bloke off the telly manage to raise enough to take over and work hard to put us back on an even keel.

5. Despite everybody's best efforts the damage done to the club by a collection of thieves, con-men and chancers means that the business known as Hartlepool United is liquidated. Even though they are thoroughly pissed off with everything that has happened the fans go for the phoenix option. It turns out that although the business is dead the club, meaning the people involved, the memories and the place goes on. Eventually, after years of hard work, Pools return to knocking about in the lower divisions and we're respected as a friendly small club that treats people decently and honestly.

Good post Mr. Toulouse.

Mr PJ, I don’t disagree with a lot of your posts but calling people thick really doesn’t achieve anything positive. The people that you’re calling thick, many of them have the sole intention of keeping the club going long enough for one of Mr. Toulouse ‘s more favoured options to have a chance of coming off. Both things should be happening in tandem with everybody working together on both, the shame is that people on both sides don’t seem to be able to pull this off.

If the worst happens it’s a straight choice a) give up the club dies forever or b) start again a couple of Leagues further down

With the Vic secure I really don’t see many going down option a) route at all. But it the current situation we are all totally powerless to effect the outcome of this terrible situation. Unless anyone has a spare £3 million in the drawer at home beyond getting behind the team nobody can do anything apart from hope a savior arrives at the ninth hour. What people can do though is plan and make a positive contribution towards a contingency.

I haven’t done anything like that until recently after spending ages posting stuff like you just did then but after trying to say the same thing over and over again to have the same people continue to post the same lie and get the wrong end of the same stick.

So they must be thick.

The Vic isn’t as secure as people are making out.

Name calling is divisive, of that there is no doubt. On the other hand bashing your head continuously against a brick wall really does hurt.
If people don't want to be called thick, then don't act and behave thick.
Just about every quarter of Pools support has tried to reason with these people, with very little success.
They don't want to be reasoned with, which is why I, personally, have never tried.
I am not sure that I want these people in the Trust, to be brutally honest.
I keep imagining one or more of them gaining positions on the Trust board and subsequently/perhaps having an influence on the running of the football club.
Imagine that for a minute........... an absolutely mind blowingly disastrous scenario.
You can't reason with people who won't be reasoned with. You just can't.

This two Phoenix clubs is nonsense.
Imagine the family around a hospital bed. In the bed is a skeleton. Some of those there are holding its hands and asking it to hang on and keep fighting. The hospital are asking for more money to keep the ‘patient’ alive.
The rest realise it’s hopeless and the ‘caring doctors’ are just milking the vulnerable ones and realise life support has to be turned off.
So, it’s a case of realists v sentimentalists.

One thing we can't argue about is that they have the best interests of the club at heart and have done some pretty good things to help keep the club going until now. We can all suggest how the just giving money could have been used but at the end of the day, it's been used to help us get February's games on. I think if the very worst happens and we need to start again (which is an absolute worst case) I'm sure they would put all their backing behind that club in the same way they have so far. The pull of a team playing in blue and white at the vic would be too big to ignore.

I'll repeat what I said in a topic a week or so ago, expanded just a tiny bit.
If the worst happens, a Phoenix club is going to require a hell of a lot of organising in a very short time. I don't see any entity besides the Trust with the structure, contacts, and popular support to do that.
Five guys on a notice board aren't going to be able to cope, however spirited they are. Nor are five guys on a Sunday league committee.

But there needs to by a war plan on ice for the eventuality of the worst happening.

Needed. Right. Now.

Ready to be put into action 10 seconds after any announcement signalling the end of HUFC Ltd.

Maybe there is one but I haven't seen anybody say they're working on it.

You haven’t read or followed all the Trusts statements then Monty!

When Scarborough went bust didn't they end up having 2 Phoenix clubs? Was it a similar situation...?

Liquidation

This is an interesting read. Seems Scarborough went down this road 10 years ago...the parallels are huge.

http://twohundredpercent.net/scarborough-a-football-town-divided/

I don't think that continuously rubbishing the Trust is a demonstration of having the best interests of the club at heart. I don't think producing "fuck the trust" stickers and spreading them around away grounds up and down the country is having the best interests of the club at heart, nor is chanting "fuck the trust" at same grounds, nor is verbally abusing people, FELLOW POOLIES, at away grounds and on message boards just because they are officionados or members of the Trust. The Trust is the last and maybe the only hope of saving our club.
The Trust is not a "thing", it is a group of currently 1100 people, mainly if not all, Poolies. When they chant "fuck the trust" they are chanting "fuck 1100 fellow Poolies."
Yes they have done a bit of groundwork and provided items for the ground, all very admirable and praiseworthy. Has any group or groups chanted "fuck the work they are doing" at matches or produced stickers denigrading them. No they haven't.
Yet they attack the Trust at every turn. Isn't the intention of the Trust to try and save the club??? So why are they attacking that???
To sum up. The trust is trying to put into place a means of preserving our football club and the Anti Trust is sprucing up the ground. Both very important and worthwhile projects. The question is; which, in the current circumstances, is the most important????

I don't know of any of the main posters on the other board that actually go to away games, so not sure who would be producing stickers or shouting "fuck the trust" - I agree it's in no way helpful whoever it is though. We do all support the same club after all.

There is still childish name calling from a very small number of people on both boards, people start threads based on something written on another board for fuck sake. Some people don't and never will agree with a trust, nothing can be done about that - although I'd still like to think they'd support a football club in the town - however, I may be wrong on that. I'd argue that as of right now, both are equally important - the trust need to build and maintain relationships with the council/businesses and secure large amounts of funding from wealthy individuals and/or businesses to help secure the future of HUFC or to start a phoenix club if needed, while the maintenance of the ground is surely required to make the place at least look half investible - an alternative is to stop that and allow it to become a complete shit hole meaning any new owners have to pump money into that as well.

Go ahead then; point me to the one that elaborates the contingency plan.

It’s on the Facebook page, the statement dated February 1st. They have an actual sub committee dedicated to it.

Well that's a huge problem then.
If the Trust is relying on Facebook to get their message across it's fucked.
Seriously. I expected better.

It’s on the Facebook page, the statement dated February 1st. They have an actual sub committee dedicated to it.[/quote]
Well that's a huge problem then.
If the Trust is relying on Facebook to get their message across it's fucked.
Seriously. I expected better.[/quote]

There is a link here to the HUST website, which also has other statements. Maybe that helps?
Video interview elaborates as well.

https://www.hufcsupporterstrust.org.uk/ ... t-1-feb/74

Yes that helps.

Trust leaders, think about being more up-front with the communication, please. This is one area I can help if you want.
Ideally I shouldn't have needed to ask this far. This is not a reproach, but it is, I think, an area that wouldn't lose anything from a more expansive outlook.

The pheonix club is a sensitive issue I think the timing and lack of detail was intentional, I’m loads of work is going into a contingency plan with things sounding so bleak that information has no use in the public domain at this stage though.

If went on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, the trust website and I’m sure it was even in the mail.

Not to mention on here.

Can’t do much more really


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Sure it was even on in my back garden


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I visited Scarborough Athletic earlier in the season, good set up. It helps when the council invest in infrastructure such as in their case I think a sort of leisure village incorporating the football club within it, also attracting a big sponsor such as Flamingo Land. Of course timing is everything, if only this had all been available in 1999 , then things may not of went tits up in the first place. Now the groundwork is more or less complete, they are on course to get back into the league, of course this is the hard bit, climbing the leagues again, it took the old Scarborough long enough to get into the Football League.

It hasnt been easy for them so far, having to play at Bridlington, but a core of their fans stuck with it, and they now seem to be attracting some of the missing fans from their league days attending games. I suppose the moral of the story here, is dont give up, stick together, and keep ploughing on, and with a bit of luck in the way of support from the council and a big local business, hope can return.

I agree Monty, not a criticism in any way, just an exile point of view. I've volunteered to do a basic FAQ list for the website which I should hve time to do over the weekend.

Trust funds stand at £33,450

Fundraising accounts for £14,450 of this figure.

257 new members since Jan 1st

Oi Mr Butt, you have a PM about the above.