Jones Interview

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Glad to see him say he might have to educate some of the fans with regard to how to play football etc.

Probably take a long time to educate the thick fuckers who boo and whinge when we play possession football to see the game out mind instead of just hoofing it forward.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:00 pm

Also mentions a new training ground

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

misterb2001 wrote:

Also mentions a new training ground

aye and looking at quicker ways to get to away games? Can only imagine he wants to start flying to certain games?

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:40 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

Good luck with that Dave.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Chip Fireball wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

Also mentions a new training ground

I think they are just switching University sites in Durham. Traffic bit of a nightmare to the new gaff in the morning, but other than that seems logical if the facilities are better.

Honestly cant see how the facilities can be better. Maiden Castle has been voted the best University sports complex in the UK.

All of the university matches are played there, and the colleges premier league and first division game sare all played there.

The racecourse site pitches are not the best, and the area is wide open.

I suspect that the Uni wanted the pitch back, and it is possible it is to be relaid.

Maiden Castle also has two state of the art 4g pitches.

What I have seen of the Racecourse site, its all grass.

I am up there every weekend watching uni games, before anyone asks.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:26 pm

Sounds more like cost cutting to me!!!! confised

dav9337 · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:40 pm **Posts:** 113

The Colonel wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

Also mentions a new training ground

I think they are just switching University sites in Durham. Traffic bit of a nightmare to the new gaff in the morning, but other than that seems logical if the facilities are better.

Honestly cant see how the facilities can be better. Maiden Castle has been voted the best University sports complex in the UK.

All of the university matches are played there, and the colleges premier league and first division game sare all played there.

The racecourse site pitches are not the best, and the area is wide open.

I suspect that the Uni wanted the pitch back, and it is possible it is to be relaid.

Maiden Castle also has two state of the art 4g pitches.

What I have seen of the Racecourse site, its all grass.

I am up there every weekend watching uni games, before anyone asks.

Been there once and that's what I remember. Parking was a nightmare too, so I can imagine Chip would be right about traffic in the morning being hectic. Definitely not as good as Maiden Castle.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:32 pm

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

Also mentions a new training ground

aye and looking at quicker ways to get to away games? Can only imagine he wants to start flying to certain games?

Bring back Gibson Airways! Hazy memories of a trip to Exeter and John McPhail dishing out the tinnies on the flight back..............and Andy Saville playing catch the fart on the bus to the airport/............

ukanttouchme · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:12 pm **Posts:** 225

I can only echo that Maiden Castle is a class above the Racecourse. From my Durham college days the pitches at the Racecourse were total mud baths and none were particularly reserved for higher quality teams so Pools wouldn't get a better treatment.

Aside from that there's no gym or catering facilities and no 4g pitch which guarantees good training in all weather so it doesn't really stack up. When I was there they used both facilities as they presumably had a contract with "Team Durham". Maybe Durham are trying to rinse them...

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:37 pm

Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

Also mentions a new training ground

aye and looking at quicker ways to get to away games? Can only imagine he wants to start flying to certain games?

Bring back Gibson Airways! Hazy memories of a trip to Exeter and John McPhail dishing out the tinnies on the flight back..............and Andy Saville playing catch the fart on the bus to the airport/............

I was on that flight with my sister
Interesting!

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:55 pm

Maybe he thought training up at the racecourse pitch would be good preperation for the mudbath that is Newport County's gaff :laugh:

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My guess would be that the distraction of all those female students is affecting the squads concentration levels, also it's difficult to use popular Management expletives when female hockey players are on adjoining pitches.
Apparently it was said the squad cannot lunch together and quick access to an area where they can address team affairs is difficult. He wants to build a strong team ethic amongst the squad.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:17 pm

Maybe it's just more cost-cutting to free up funds for future targets. He's probably thought the players being molly-coddled off the pitch is matching their demeanour on it.......'old school' and all that.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:24 pm

Bring back Gibson Airways! Hazy memories of a trip to Exeter and John McPhail dishing out the tinnies on the flight back..............and Andy Saville playing catch the fart on the bus to the airport/............[/quote]
I was on that flight with my sister
Interesting![/quote]

I recall sitting next to Paul Wratten on the flight down - it was like talking to a house brick - and on the way back, after the excellent Exeter hospitality (drink as much as you can in the fire trap), I think I sat next to the father of the much beloved Pirlo's Beard..............

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

That's a big question for the talk in then, why hasn't Jones signed a contract with the club?

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:25 pm

Good job BetVictor paid out or I would of been bitterly disappointed

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Chip have u a link to his interview in Independant?

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

Sounds like a bloke coming in to do a favour for his friend the property developer. No contract? At what club does that happen at...?

Odds on him being here this time next season... pointless offering them. He'll be long gone.

I really hope the right questions are asked at this talk-in - and no, calling HMRC 'divs' won't do it.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

I reckon if we go on a decent run to the end of the season someone will be along to snap him up straight away.

He had a very good reputation and seemed to be out of the game for so long. A lot of raised eyebrows that he was back amongst it at Pools.

He'll be bound to no contract n'all... Surely sees this as a quick stepping stone

ptbap · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:47 pm

Well I worked at Durham University, I don't understand a switch from Maiden Castle to the Racecourse. There is a decent sized building at the Racecourse, but it wasn't open and ran like Maiden Castle was, at least when I was there three years ago. Perhaps it's been redeveloped since.

Who knows, I've been surprised we stayed at Maiden Castle as long as we have, facilities are top notch.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

Chip Fireball wrote:

Dunno, I guess you have to factor in the BIG January announcement. Some still seem to think there is massive investment in the pipeline so maybe he is waiting to see if the Chairman is telling the truth. Probably just hedging his bets and who can blame him.

Call me an "armchair expert" if you will, but I remain a tad sceptical. Especially as there is only 4 days left in the month.

Bet he wishes he never mentioned that bloody January announcement... has it even been spoken of recently?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37684

Surprised you still get wound up over all this. The reign of all these pocket size Messiahs ends in tears, it's just a question of how long and what their legacy is. Supporting any lower league club is a ride on a structurally unsound roller coaster ...... where the brakes don't work.
We are where we are, what the answer is God knows, but bitching about about drowning when you're drowning is a waste of time better spent doing something positive. Preparations for the future where possible should be the fans concern.
There are no Suger Daddies.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:02 am

Is it legal in the UK to be employed without a contract?
I suspect he meant he hasn't a fixed term contract, and in that respect he's no different to anybody IOR hired as manager.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

If you're doing a job then you have a contract of employment. No matter whether its written, signed, verbal or implied.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:20 am

Well Dave Jones said it was he idea and they are also improving the new place. That's good enough for me.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Its already been improved by the uni for the uni.

Its still nowhere near the standard of maiden castle and never will be.

And its main function is university cricket.

Its clear why pools arw going there as they can and will be the only party there during the day most weeks.

That's fair enough but to claim its a step up is nonsense. Standard wise.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

misterb2001 wrote:

Well Dave Jones said it was he idea and they are also improving the new place. That's good enough for me.

Clearly he means that he hasn't signed a contract but his contractual terms and conditions will still apply. They have to by EU and UK law - hence the shit kicked up at Sports Direct.

What he is perfectly able to do without a signed contract is walk away any time he likes. You never know who might poach him, especially after his profile has risen considerably given his interviews in national papers. Lots of chairmen are now saying 'Ah yes Dave Jones, I forgot about him and he's not currently under contract'.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:08 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

Well Dave Jones said it was he idea and they are also improving the new place. That's good enough for me.

Clearly he means that he hasn't signed a contract but his contractual terms and conditions will still apply. They have to by EU and UK law - hence the guano kicked up at Sports Direct.

What he is perfectly able to do without a signed contract is walk away any time he likes. You never know who might poach him, especially after his profile has risen considerably given his interviews in national papers. Lots of chairmen are now saying 'Ah yes Dave Jones, I forgot about him and he's not currently under contract'.

Sorry, I was talking about the training ground :laugh:

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:01 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

By the sounds of things we are exchanging state of the art facilities for very basic facilities. On the flip side we get better access and a bit privacy. Im not sure the youth team painting the perimeter fence makes much difference to the playing surface to be honest.

It may give the players a kick up the arse and bring them closer together , though I remember Ronnie Moore swapping Spain/Holland for Catterick pre season and that didn't end well.

End of the day its another cost cutting exercise. Pure and simple, irrespective of whatever spin the club want to put on it.

To be honest, if it saves money that can be better spent elsewhere, then I see no major problem with it. We need to start living within our means. Jones says as much in the interview when talking about culling the playing squad. Likewise in previous interviews he has mentioned the Coxhall is naïve.

If the club hasn't got a pot to piss in ( which anyone with an ounce of sense can see it blatantly the case ) then it needs to cut costs. And to be frank, both Jones and Hignett have openly said as much.

All we need now is for the Chairman to come clean about Goldberg and the financial shitstorm, and we might actually all be able to move on. I think people would have a bit more respect for him if he just fessed up and told everyone just how bad the situation is/was, rather than all this fantasy bollocks about big announcements.

i hope you're happy now Chipolata. There's a dozen chequered Stone Island shirts spattered with brains over on the other board, as several middle-aged bald heads have just exploded in fury at your Columbo tribute act.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

If you're doing a job then you have a contract of employment. No matter whether its written, signed, verbal or implied.

I think you're wrong there. An employer is obliged to give a written contract of terms and conditions.
You'd have a hard job proving, say, that your employer was exploiting you if you didn't have a written contract, signed by both parties. If there were a dispute it would be just a case of : He promised x/ No I didn't.

Not that that's anything to do with Jones' agreement with the Club, I suppose.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37684

grabec wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

If you're doing a job then you have a contract of employment. No matter whether its written, signed, verbal or implied.

I think you're wrong there. An employer is obliged to give a written contract of terms and conditions.
You'd have a hard job proving, say, that your employer was exploiting you if you didn't have a written contract, signed by both parties. If there were a dispute it would be just a case of : He promised x/ No I didn't.

Not that that's anything to do with Jones' agreement with the Club, I suppose.

Is he an employee or is he in affect a 'contractor'....?

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Snowy wrote:

grabec wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

If you're doing a job then you have a contract of employment. No matter whether its written, signed, verbal or implied.

I think you're wrong there. An employer is obliged to give a written contract of terms and conditions.
You'd have a hard job proving, say, that your employer was exploiting you if you didn't have a written contract, signed by both parties. If there were a dispute it would be just a case of : He promised x/ No I didn't.

Not that that's anything to do with Jones' agreement with the Club, I suppose.

Is he an employee or is he in affect a 'contractor'....?

Dunno. I'd never heard of him before so he's probably one of those immigrants, coming here and taking our jobs.....

Andy McAvoy's Bleached Barnet · **Joined:** Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:46 am **Posts:** 357

From my interaction with the chairman on Twitter tonight, I asked him if there was a written agreement between HUFC and Jones and he told me 'I really wouldn't worry. Relax'. Read into that what you will.

congress_tart · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:23 pm

grabec wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

If you're doing a job then you have a contract of employment. No matter whether its written, signed, verbal or implied.

I think you're wrong there. An employer is obliged to give a written contract of terms and conditions.
You'd have a hard job proving, say, that your employer was exploiting you if you didn't have a written contract, signed by both parties. If there were a dispute it would be just a case of : He promised x/ No I didn't.

Not that that's anything to do with Jones' agreement with the Club, I suppose.

Within the first two months of employment yes.

I can't blame some for being concerned with the comments, but it could be for a number of reasons. I believe player and manager contracts/terms and conditions are a lot more complex than 'ordinary' contracts that the majority on here will work to. I can't imagine them just using a template from ACAS and would imagine that legal professionals agree it and sign them off. So it could just be that it is held up with lawyers, maybe they are still negotiating some of the more minute clauses of the contract, or maybe it is that he does have concerns around something. However I would have thought that lengthy talks prior to him accepting would have covered the main points, and also him having a clear idea of what he is getting himself into.

And even aside from this, I know myself that I have started employment somewhere before recieving my full written statement of terms and conditions - as long as I knew my pay, holidays etc. I can't say it was a big deal.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

You're probably right, congress, and I'm wrong. I know I wouldn't start a job without having terms in writing.

I suppose the significant thing isn't that he hasn't signed a contract but that he's told everyone he hasn't. Anyway.......

congress_tart · **Posted:** Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:36 am

grabec wrote:

You're probably right, congress, and I'm wrong. I know I wouldn't start a job without having terms in writing.

I suppose the significant thing isn't that he hasn't signed a contract but that he's told everyone he hasn't. Anyway.......

I still had some terms in writing - offer letter with start date, pay etc. which as mentioned above by someone else, that still forms part of their contract of employment. I am just referring to the full statement of terms and conditions.

Suppose it is interesting why it actually came up an interview with the media though

ptbap · **Posted:** Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:45 am

Thinking about the Maiden Castle move, yes it has 3G pitches and a cafe. But it's not helped us over the last 6 or whatever years. St George's Park has turned England into a World Cup winning side either.

Perhaps having our 'own' place will be better.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37684

I think Jones should be given a chance. What I dread is him not getting the backing he deserves and taking to the lifeboats. I suspect it won't take long to be apparent just where we stand.
If we lose him, all credibility of actually running a football club is in tatters.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

If we lose him so soon after sacking Hignett the selection we'd have to replace him would be a who's who of who the fuck is that?

While I can see the benefit of bringing in players to boost the team a bit, it does appear more and more likely it's not going to happen due to finances. That said our squad should be good enough to stay up with good coaching, which Dave Jones should be more than capable of given time.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37684

pooliecrab wrote:

If we lose him so soon after sacking Hignett the selection we'd have to replace him would be a who's who of who the fuck is that?.

Sadly, there'd still be list longer than the queue for the boats at Dunkirk!

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

ptbap wrote:

Thinking about the Maiden Castle move, yes it has 3G pitches and a cafe. But it's not helped us over the last 6 or whatever years. St George's Park has turned England into a World Cup winning side either.

Perhaps having our 'own' place will be better.

Not sure about having our own place.

Maybe Pools have used the loan(s) to buy the whole racecourse ground?

If they havent, then they most certainly dont own it. And as for claiming its more private. Fucking hell :laugh:

It couldnt be more public.

Seriously, the youngun plays there now and again, and they are more worried about losing balls in the river than it being private.

There are no fences as such, and there is a public footpath goes al the way round it.

And like I said, unless the Uni/Council have sold it, which they might have, I think Durham Uni cricket club and Durham City Cricket club will be most upset to see their two pitches handed over to fourth division football club.

I believe there will have been matches played there this weekend as well. Though I couldnt confirm as the youngun played at Maiden Castle today. And yesterday.

Have a look at this view

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/du ... a=!3m1!1e3

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