Why have all the other forums gagged any talk of crisis

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Is a question loads of people have asked me today when I was in poundland.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

What did you buy?

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:06 pm

How much was it?

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Just leave the other forum to it. Everything is fine, according to folk on there, and nothing anybody says on here will have a bearing on that. It's all good.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

I looked at the other board about 3 weeks ago and they all hated "tweety"?

Do they like him now?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37695

The Colonel wrote:

Is a question loads of people have asked me today when I was in poundland.

How long have you worked there and do you stock radiator bleed keys ?

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

Have to say they don't seem as concerned, but surely there is enough evidence to suggest that something is going badly wrong.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

GeoffcN wrote:

Have to say they don't seem as concerned, but surely there is enough evidence to suggest that something is going badly wrong.

Welcome back Geoff.

There does indeed. Hopefully we are wrong though!!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37695

GeoffcN wrote:

Have to say they don't seem as concerned, but surely there is enough evidence to suggest that something is going badly wrong.

Sounds like the the bridge of the Titanic as they struck the Iceberg. And we all know how that panned out ........ as the band played on.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Valiant wrote:

Most of them on the other board are so Anti-Trust that if Ronnie Harnish said it was Thursday today they would say it was Friday. I mean how strange do you have to be to start a Hartlepool United message board then ban people from talking about the football club ?

I lasted about two weeks on there, all they seem to do is start threads slagging this message board off or having digs at the Trust or claiming people have told them stuff but then not telling anyone what it is they were told.

Anyone with an ounce of sense can see there are serious issues at the club at present, even the Manager has said so, and its no secret the club owes over 100 grand in tax. Where they going to find the money for that without selling someone, and even if they do how they going to pay the bills for the rest of the season ? Also who are all these people claiming to be working for Pools doing deals here there and everywhere and who is paying them ?

All questions that need asking but there's no one to do it?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

We live in hope that we can find a journo willing to do it.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

The Colonel wrote:

We live in hope that we can find a journo willing to do it.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Valiant wrote:

Most of them on the other board are so Anti-Trust that if Ronnie Harnish said it was Thursday today they would say it was Friday. I mean how strange do you have to be to start a Hartlepool United message board then ban people from talking about the football club ?

I lasted about two weeks on there, all they seem to do is start threads slagging this message board off or having digs at the Trust or claiming people have told them stuff but then not telling anyone what it is they were told.

Anyone with an ounce of sense can see there are serious issues at the club at present, even the Manager has said so, and its no secret the club owes over 100 grand in tax. Where they going to find the money for that without selling someone, and even if they do how they going to pay the bills for the rest of the season ? Also who are all these people claiming to be working for Pools doing deals here there and everywhere and who is paying them ?

I find it quite hilarious, or would do if it wasn't so serious, that the major source of paranoia for many since these chancers took control of our club is that in some way Coxhall was a front and puppet for Ken Hodcroft and IOR. Absolutely absurd stuff when you think about it really. I tell you what though, I wish was that the scenario no matter how utterly ridiculous the suggestion was. Imagine someone who ran the club on a stable and sound footing for 18 years was still involved, that would be really awful compared to this wouldn't it? Alright Hodcroft wasn't the most likable or charismatic man and we were fobbed off a lot in the last four or five years but one thing he didn't do or was ever willing to do was overspend and put the clubs long term future in jeopardy. Give me that any day even if we did eventually go out of the league, which did look the way we were heading to be fair.

I would be intrigued to know where the money is going out of the club? We have ran as a self sustaining club since the money from Norway was pulled , ironically after Berge Larsens tax issues without any winding up petitions or rumours about players being paid late. Coxhall claims to be all about transparency, well how much are he and Goldberg (or whatever he's called) paying themselves? I'm aware that they are entitled to a wage but it is more than Hodcroft was taking out? I see nothing else that's different from two years ago, we were still being ran by a company putting nothing in the pot, so how are we in this apparent position now?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

No genuine fan with any common sense whatsoever could argue with the above.

But I know a few still will somewhere.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Great post chip. Pretty much sums the whole thing up

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Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:09 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

All genuine Pools fans have a right to be concerned when 3 winding up petitions have been issued in a short space of time, and when the club is borrowing money from a finance company nobody has heard of , because in Coxhalls own words they were able to supply the funds within 3 days. Allegedly to fund some pie in the sky property development, set up by a bloke who is a bankrupt, and who is banned from running a business.

This is not scaremongering as a few people with their own anti -trust agenda have claimed, this is simply a case of genuine Pools fans putting the truth out there because the local press are not interested in anything that isn't spoon fed to them by the club.

Like I say these are not rumours these are facts, and believe me there is more to this than has been disclosed thus far, and which we are currently digging into.

The likes of Coxhall, Goldberg, Brown, Haycox, Burrows, these guys are not long term fans of the club, these are not blokes from this area wanting to invest in the club out of a love for it. These are blokes who want to make money without investing any of their own, and they have come out and said as much. Even if it means taking out a loan and using the lease to the ground, and everything contained within it as collateral.

clappp

A well balanced and fair post.

Moreover some of these men have a history of liquidating businesses, who have a string of directorships in liquidated companies, or who owe money to the tax man, and they are running OUR club. That's right OUR club. And we have every right to ask these people why they are here, what they want, and why they are putting our ground and it's contents on the line.

Some of us said similar things about the TMH mob and were told to stop scaremongering and look how that ended up.

I'm not convinced someone like Russ Green who had been through the mill with the club, would walk away if he genuinely thought there was investment on the way, or if he thought this Masterplan had a cat in hells chance of succeeding. I could imagine him walking away though if he thought things were going down the pan.

If they ( Coxhall and Goldberg ) want to sit down and explain this to the fans then that is great. But the time for one liners on Twitter saying everything is great is long past gone. If the club is not paying tax bills on time, the fans who are paying customers, have a right to know why.

We need to stand together on this as we have stood together in the past. If these guys have nothing to hide then they should have no fear of an open and a frank discussion.

If others want to stand back and do nothing, then that is their prerogative. At the end of the day though I would rather stand up and say this whole thing stinks and be proven wrong, than bury my head in the sand and hope for the best.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:56 am

Not a single tweet for 4 days from our tweet an hour chairman, the silence is deafening or he has broken his fingers :liar:

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:00 am

monkeybutt wrote:

Not a single tweet for 4 days from our tweet an hour chairman, the silence is deafening or he has broken his fingers :liar:

They're stuck in his wallet, searching for pennies............

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Don't worry fellas, he's busy with the Millhouse Masterplan.

Either that or he's enjoying an extravagant Christmas bonus as there's no cause for concern at work.

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

Genuine question here, what crisis is going on? I can't find anything anywhere apart from what's said on here.

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:41 pm

3Quid wrote:

Genuine question here, what crisis is going on? I can't find anything anywhere apart from what's said on here.

The silence is deafening.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

From his post 16 minutes ago?

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misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:55 pm

3Quid wrote:

Genuine question here, what crisis is going on? I can't find anything anywhere apart from what's said on here.

there's all the makings on one Mick, nothing concrete but the signs are all there.

Lets hope people on here are apologising in a few months time for getting the wrong end of the stick, because if they are actually right....

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

Ok mate, like I say a genuine question. Haven't been really keeping up with all things Pools or the message boards for a few month now. Surprised there's been nowt in the press if there was something going on like.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

I think everyone on here will be delighted to be apologizing in a few months time as we all want to be wrong about this

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

We wont know in a few months. It might be two years away.

So apologising in a few months will be pointless.

It seems pools are being saddled with debt for years.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

As for nothing being in the press Mr 3Quid I think that is a very very good question??

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

It's criminal the only reason for the debt is bad management. . They knew the constraints before they took over ..they're just taking the easy way out (and making sure they get paid )

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poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:45 pm

The Colonel wrote:

We wont know in a few months. It might be two years away.

So apologising in a few months will be pointless.

It seems pools are being saddled with debt for years.

What's new there then.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Is this the proof certain fans were looking for

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/ ... _up_order/

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Joe Mac · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:38 am

Nah that's fake that story, can tell it's been edited. I'm really surprised they haven't dug a bit deeper and questioned the club about it. They are making out if we owe them a tenner or something, £100k at a league two club is a massive amount! Especially at a club with owners who don't really have a pot to piss in.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

I'm not sure that article makes light of Pools' financial problems. Lough-lin points out that Pools have been served their third petition for a winding up order in a matter of months, calls the amount owed to HMRC "hefty" and reports that Coxall has used Twitter to "allay" fans' concerns.

It's basically an article about team news, notably that Pools' prize playing asset is still crocked and unlikely to be showing off his skills during the transfer window.

Nick Lough-lin has been covering Pools for years (unlike the revolving door of rookies at the Mail), he is a fan like the rest of us and he's not stupid. He's not afraid to speak his mind on the radio, when he's being paid for his opinion of what's happening on the pitch.

As a journalist employed by the Echo he's paid to report 'news' not to editorialize. The fact that 99% of said 'news' comes from the mouths of the clubs' officials, coaching and playing staff is part of the job description.

It's fair to criticize him for the fact that the other 1% is coming from the Bunker - there's no way a fan site should be 'scooping' news that is already in the public domain like an HMRC petition.

Granted Lough-lin is no 'investigative journalist' but maybe there's a case for reading between the lines rather than assuming, for example, that he is happy that Coxall's preferred means of communication is via twitter? I don't read that article as at all 'reassuring' about the club's financial outlook.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/al ... -1-8302360

Is this the geezer we have that loan from?

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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Yep, he was up for the last home game and the same stuff was reported then.

Aw, charidy mate. What a diamond geezer that Haycox must be.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Mr Dawes, all that might be true but he was happy to slag off those of us who uncovered the truth over a week before he wrote that and sarcastically dismissed it on twitter. Have we forgotten the 'detectives' dig already?

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:12 pm

Interesting comment from Coxall on Twitter about thecho article... "Shit sells toilet paper".

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Joe Mac wrote:

Interesting comment from Coxall on Twitter about thecho article... "guano sells toilet paper".

Does he realise the same doesn't apply to season tickets?

Oo-Did-Dat · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:46 pm **Posts:** 18

Coxall quickly becoming Pools equivalent of Comical Ali

"Goball Gary"

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Mr Dawes, all that might be true but he was happy to slag off those of us who uncovered the truth over a week before he wrote that and sarcastically dismissed it on twitter. Have we forgotten the 'detectives' dig already?

I guess different people are at different stages of disillusionment with the current regime. There's hope for him yet!

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:29 pm

Yubep wrote:

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/alfie-smith-s-walking-fund-set-to-be-matched-by-kind-hearted-businessman-1-8302360

Is this the geezer we have that loan from?

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That is the man, I hope he gives them cash and not a bouncer!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

He'll pay them in tobelerones

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Joe Mac wrote:

Interesting comment from Coxall on Twitter about thecho article... "guano sells toilet paper".

Thomas also tweeted that he hasn't had a set back at all.

Cracking article :laugh:

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:49 pm

A business man from Leeds
He did some dirty deeds
The Millhouse plans
It buys in the fans
But I bet it stays full of weeds.

I`m here all week bbolt

Why have all the other forums gagged any talk of crisis

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