The Kinks at the BBC

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

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Jeff · **Joined:** Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:43 pm **Posts:** 59

The kinks had 3 no 1 singles and no no 1 albums and you are saying are miles better than the Beatles I think you are talking bollocks mate

demented twig · **Joined:** Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:09 pm **Posts:** 1043

Jeff wrote:

The kinks had 3 no 1 singles and no no 1 albums and you are saying are miles better than the Beatles I think you are talking bollocks mate

the Who didnt have any number ones but were still very good

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:15 am

Jeff wrote:

The kinks had 3 no 1 singles and no no 1 albums and you are saying are miles better than the Beatles I think you are talking bollocks mate

Does that mean someone like Westlife are the best ever then?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:46 am

Best music book I've ever read is Last Train To Memphis by Peter Guralnick. It made me completely rethink Elvis Presley by spending a lot of time building up the historical context and establishing how important the fact that he mixed black R and B music with white country singing. He didn't invent rock n roll and he but he did take it to a new and different level that gave it a massive cultural impact and opened the gates for many more, better in my opinion, musicians. The fact he ended up a fat club singer releasing dreadful MOR dirges doesn't change that.

The Beatles did a similar job for the idea that bands should write and perform their own songs, and then that albums mattered more than singles. I rarely listen to them but they were massively influential and broke a lot of ground - even Mull of Kintyre doesn't change that. If I'm after a bit of 60s business I much prefer to listen to The Kinks and The Stones but I wouldn't try to argue that The Beatles were shit.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:36 pm

demented twig wrote:

the Who didnt have any number ones but were still very good

You're quite the master of understatement Mr Twig.

Jeff · **Joined:** Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:43 pm **Posts:** 59

demented twig wrote:

Jeff wrote:

The kinks had 3 no 1 singles and no no 1 albums and you are saying are miles better than the Beatles I think you are talking bollocks mate

the Who didnt have any number ones but were still very good

You are missing the point I never said the who were shit or west life if you don't like the music don't listen to it everybody has different taste in music but to say the kinks are better than the Beatles and the stones well I repeat you are talking utter bollocks

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:05 am

Well let's see.

The Beatles: Getting Better
The Stones: You'd Better Move On
The Who: You Better You Bet
The Kinks: Better Things

Nope, impossible to say who is the better group, but the Beatles are obviously improving.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

I use to know someone who thought the Beach Boys were better than the Beatles. In all other respects he was perfectly normal.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Erm yeah, sorry, cheap joke. But my friend was basing his opinion on other factors such that he thought the Beatles were somehow degenerate, and the Beach Boys more..... healthy.

The Beach Boys did make excellent songs...many, like 'Caroline, No', were haunting.

henry · **Joined:** Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:22 pm **Posts:** 127

Yeah did some excellent songs and thieved a few along the way. Like Chuck Berry's "Sweet Little Sixteen" and changing the words to have a hit with Surfin USA. And Brian Wilson was surprised when Chuck refused to speak to him again. And Chuck had to take him to court to get back the royalties and copyright to his song. Although Wilson has put that much shit into his body he wouldn't know which song he had wrote and which song he hadn't.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Pet Sounds is still very listenable, as is Revolver and Rubber Soul but I struggle to get through Sgt Peppers or even The White Album nowadays.

Some of the best albums of the late 60's didn't shift great numbers...."Village Green" and "Arthur" -The Kinks, "Oddesey and Oracle" -The Zombies, "SF Sorrow"- The Pretty Things, "Dusty In Memphis", "Scott 3" - Scott Walker , "Faintly Blowing" Kaleidoscope, "Stand Up"-Tull etc

Listen to these most weeks I reckon, and was lucky to inherit a lot on vinyl. Mind, I also inherited a LOT of "Blues Bilge" like Ten Years After/John Mayall/Clapton/Chicken Shack/Early Fleetwood Mac stuff too and most of that is pretty unlistenable.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

None of they wrote a more poetic song that Gilbert O Sullivan. Nothing rhymed is a classic of songwriting.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

None of they wrote a more poetic song that Gilbert O Sullivan. Nothing rhymed is a classic of songwriting.

1970 though! Agreed its a great song.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:44 pm

The lyrics of 'Nothing Rhymed' are on a par with 'You Gotta Be' by Des'Ree.

demented twig · **Joined:** Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:09 pm **Posts:** 1043

another great band from that era The Troggs

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Stop this nonsense. The beatles were shit.

End of thread.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:16 pm

ElvisC wrote:

Listen to these most weeks I reckon, and was lucky to inherit a lot on vinyl. Mind, I also inherited a LOT of "Blues Bilge" like Ten Years After/John Mayall/Clapton/Chicken Shack/Early Fleetwood Mac stuff too and most of that is pretty unlistenable.

John Mayall is a legend in my eyes/flat!!!!

Bossa Nova · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:51 am **Posts:** 376

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

None of they wrote a more poetic song that Gilbert O Sullivan. Nothing rhymed is a classic of songwriting.

Also "Alone Again (naturally)" https://youtu.be/w-Mjx4WY2xM

From the sun-kissed, non-surfing (apart from Dennis) Californians:
"I Guess I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" https://youtu.be/56wF1TUY3sQ (dig that Theremin)
"Darlin" https://youtu.be/sJ-CHtccbGE

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:43 pm

Montpoolier wrote:

The lyrics of 'Nothing Rhymed' are on a par with 'You Gotta Be' by Des'Ree.

Is that the one with 'toast' and 'ghost'? That is a piss-take song if I've ever heard one. I thought it was called 'Life' though?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:26 pm

Toast and ghost was William Blake compared with You Gotta Be.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:47 pm

Anyway, if we are going to appraise Gilbert O'S surely it should be on the strength of Ooh Wacka Doo Wacka Day.

Bossa Nova · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:51 am **Posts:** 376

"Mind, I also inherited a LOT of "Blues Bilge" like Ten Years After/John Mayall/Clapton/Chicken Shack/Early Fleetwood Mac stuff too and most of that is pretty unlistenable".

I'm sure The Bonzos had this lot in mind when they wrote "Can Blue Men Sing the Whites"
https://youtu.be/Ak51_xIQuwY

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Montpoolier wrote:

Anyway, if we are going to appraise Gilbert O'S surely it should be on the strength of Ooh Wacka Doo Wacka Day.

Ooh. Very touche' M. Monty.

demented twig · **Joined:** Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:09 pm **Posts:** 1043

demented twig wrote:

another great band from that era The Troggs

which is short for troglodyte,which is the scientific word for league 2 centre half

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