Gentlemen's Agreement?

roadrunner · **Joined:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:32 pm **Posts:** 266

Just read that the Mansfield manager claims he had a Gentlemen's Agreement with Ronnie Moore (when Nathan Thomas was transferred to Hartlepool) that Thomas wouldn't play against them.

He states that now there's been a change of manager I suppose he'll play, we'll just have to deal with it.

Seems a little naive to me?

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

He can fuck off if he thinks we won't play him

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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Apparently Ronnie offered them a two goal start an all.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:54 pm

As a consolation, they can play Bingham up front for THEM bbolt

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Apparently Thomas tweeted he can't wait till Saturday so I imagine he will be playing.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Who agreed to that!?

We paid a fee for him, he's our player I can't think of a single reason in the World why he shouldn't play gentlemans agreement or not. If he rated him that highly he shouldn't have got rid of him.

roadrunner · **Joined:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:32 pm **Posts:** 266

Their manager claiming the transfer of Thomas wasn't a football decision it was more a personal one as Thomas was homesick and wanted to go home.

He's also claiming Thomas's form proves it was the right decision for the player (Thomas).

But sounds like he's already making excuses just in case Thomas tortures them.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:15 pm

Unless they whack him in the first 5 minutes and he disappears, which has happened twice I think

roadrunner · **Joined:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:32 pm **Posts:** 266

Read : Mansfield Chad - 're Agreement Off.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

The more I hear about the dealings of RM, the less and less I like the fellow, great escape or not.

To think some of the dross that he has signed and the fact he would have continued to play the same way and take us down this season but for Coxhall finally reaalising he was clueless.

I always thought that Bresslaw bloke talked sense bbolt

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

trfc2014 wrote:

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

Interesting thread started by the Tranmere fan. Tranmere were 19th in League One on February 14th 2014 when Ronnie Moore got suspended as manager for the gambling thing. Where were they 14 months later? Relegated from the Football League in 24th place.

As for the dip in form "happening at other clubs as well" - true enough, but everything is relative. Rotherham were 6th (from the top) when he got the boot there in 2011 for not getting them to promoted for the second successive season (beaten 3-2 in the play off final at Wembley the year before). Oh for a bit of 'failure' like that again at Pools!

Saturday was dire and I walked out straight after the second goal - hacked off about the sending off more than anything because it finished the game as a contest (that Pools were still just about in till then).

Moore is struggling at the minute, no question - we probably have a decent first 11 if they were all available at the same time but they aren't and it's embarrassing how little confidence he has in the squad players - what was the point of giving them contracts if they're not judged worth a game even in an emergency? Just how ineffective does Featherstone have to be to get subbed during a game, let alone dropped?

Now that Ronnie has finally recognised that a decent central midfielder is the number one priority I expect him to use his contacts to get one in - then he can go back to worrying about the defence!

Yes we were 19th when he left but when he came to us he saved us then took us to 1st and clear up until Jan the following season and then he signed a contract and we hit relegation form and a 12 month period where we averaged less than a point a game and a home win rate of less than 25% dropped to mid table then relegation form the season after

Last season was a disaster but Ronnie has a big part in our relegation from League One

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:26 pm

Does anyone know how many goals Thomas has had a hand in since he signed? I reckon he's either scored or set up at least a third of them.

He absolutely tortured us at Mansfield, was over the moon when he signed, and it looks like Iggnet is getting the best out of him.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chesssington wrote:

The more I hear about the dealings of RM, the less and less I like the fellow, great escape or not.

To think some of the dross that he has signed and the fact he would have continued to play the same way and take us down this season but for Coxhall finally reaalising he was clueless.

I always thought that Bresslaw bloke talked sense bbolt

One thing I would say about him is I'm not sure he's actually signed that much dross.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

poolieinnottingham wrote:

Does anyone know how many goals Thomas has had a hand in since he signed? I reckon he's either scored or set up at least a third of them.

He absolutely tortured us at Mansfield, was over the moon when he signed, and it looks like Iggnet is getting the best out of him.

Not sure but Carroll has also chipped in with 5 or more assists recently and a goal too.

Now to get the right hand side firing!!

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

PJPoolie wrote:

Chesssington wrote:

The more I hear about the dealings of RM, the less and less I like the fellow, great escape or not.

To think some of the dross that he has signed and the fact he would have continued to play the same way and take us down this season but for Coxhall finally reaalising he was clueless.

I always thought that Bresslaw bloke talked sense bbolt

One thing I would say about him is I'm not sure he's actually signed that much dross.

Fair point, just can't believe what a transformation there has been since he left.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

This is Moore's squad that Hignett is working with - apart from Rob Jones, who has played in one and a half games.

I stand by what I said in that old thread Mr I resurrected - Pools always had the bones of a good team but Ronnie's constant tinkering with selection and tactics and addiction to loan signings (some of whom were no better than the players who were already here) chucked away a good start and destroyed confidence.

We haven't seen how Hignett would cope with a blip in form but got to say he looks like the real deal. Can't wait for next season when he's had the chance to add to the squad with his own type of player!

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I didn't actually ever say he signed 'dross', just he had no clue what to do with any of them when he had them.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:05 pm

bresslaw wrote:

I didn't actually ever say he signed 'dross', just he had no clue what to do with any of them when he had them.

He signed some dross to be fair.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:08 pm

This is the list of all Ronnie Moore's signings (excluding loans)

Ebby Nelson-Addy
Billy Paynter
Peter Denton
Adam Bartlett
Carl Magnay
Jake Carroll
Rhys Oates
Kudus Oyenuga
Rakish Bingham
Harry Worley
Trevor Carson
Josh Laurent
Nathan Thomas

When you look at that list, I would say the only dross is Ebby Nelson and Kudus. Some of these players underperformed under Ronnie Moore but have done well under Hignett. I can't really comment on Laurent as I've never seen him play and it's probably unfair to completely write off Worley just yet.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

That list further identifies what a shit manager he was.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:17 pm

As only 5 of them are in the first team, you would have to agree sadx

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I was merely correcting something

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

monkeybutt wrote:

As only 5 of them are in the first team, you would have to agree sadx

Not at all. At this level it's fairly normal that every signing mainly on free transfers pretty much exclusively players somebody else didn't want means more are probably going to be more miss than hit. Even in Turners first spell when he had one of the divisions bigger budgets he signed three bad players for every good one. I dare say even the likes have of Northampton this season have summer signings that haven't featured much. Moore's record in that regard stands up well.

Plus it's more than five. Yes five are starting now (which is decent in itself) but of the others one is perfectly decent sub keeper you have young lads with potential who could do well for the club in the future like Bingham and Laurent. You have genuinely good signings like Paynter, Magnay, Carson and would you believe it after his early season form Carroll. Also genuinely excellent loan signings in Jackson and Gray (don't forget his use of the loan market last season kept us in the League no less) The foundations of a decent team at this level are there. It's untrue to say he made a host of bad signings the problem was getting the best out of them or knowing how to use them.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Much agreeance

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:39 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

monkeybutt wrote:

As only 5 of them are in the first team, you would have to agree sadx

Not at all. At this level it's fairly normal that every signing mainly on free transfers pretty much exclusively players somebody else didn't want means more are probably going to be more miss than hit. Even in Turners first spell when he had one of the divisions bigger budgets he signed three bad players for every good one. I dare say even the likes have of Northampton this season have summer signings that haven't featured much. Moore's record in that regard stands up well.

Plus it's more than five. Yes five are starting now (which is decent in itself) but of the others one is perfectly decent sub keeper you have young lads with potential who could do well for the club in the future like Bingham and Laurent. You have genuinely good signings like Paynter, Magnay, Carson and would you believe it after his early season form Carroll. Also genuinely excellent loan signings in Jackson and Gray (don't forget his use of the loan market last season kept us in the League no less) The foundations of a decent team at this level are there. It's untrue to say he made a host of bad signings the problem was getting the best out of them or knowing how to use them.

You can see Bingham coming good?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Absolutely if you can't see his ability then you have pickled onions for eyes. He's clearly low on confidence and maybe lacks a bit of fire in his belly but he's a young lad and those things can suddenly click he's the type of lad I reckon Hignett probably rates and fancies his chances of getting the best out of.

Gerry Mandrake · **Joined:** Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:23 pm **Posts:** 1441

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news/ ... 37102.aspx

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Gerry Mandrake wrote:

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news/article/hartlepools-nathan-thomas-cant-wait-to-face-former-club-mansfield-3037102.aspx

It sounds like Mansfield's manager is either talking bullocks about this agreement as he fears a fans backlash when Thomas tears them a new arsehole or the player knew nothing of this agreement.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:31 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

Absolutely if you can't see his ability then you have pickled onions for eyes. He's clearly low on confidence and maybe lacks a bit of fire in his belly but he's a young lad and those things can suddenly click he's the type of lad I reckon Hignett probably rates and fancies his chances of getting the best out of.

I see a pea hearted player who cannot jump for a header, has no spine for a tackle and looks like he is dazed, either by solvents or a clash of heads previously, which would explain his lack of attempt to jump for a ball!
I saw him score a good goal against Accrinton, I also saw him in the reserves last week, if you see something I don`t, then feel free to share the uppers!

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

You can either judge a player on what he can offer when he's at his best or when he's way off that.

When you're on about a 22 year with old without much first team football under his belt I think it's probably sensible to look at what he could potentially offer at his best and most confident. He looked a really good footballer on loan last season, loads of pace, linked up play well and offered us something different. Even in the early part of this season he was by some distance our most creative player making loads of chances for himself and others. Unfortunately a lot of those chances either hit the post or the keeper made a good save or he just missed. That slowly eroded at his confidence and right now he looks way down on that regard. He's had a dissapointing season no doubt but he's got plenty of other seasons to come in his career and we have a new manager who just might help things click. He's this months scapegoat for people who need one, we're playing well and Brad Walkers not featured much so someone else out of the team has become the target.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:35 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

You can either judge a player on what he can offer when he's at his best or when he's way off that.

When you're on about a 22 year with old without much first team football under his belt I think it's probably sensible to look at what he could potentially offer at his best and most confident. He looked a really good footballer on loan last season, loads of pace, linked up play well and offered us something different. Even in the early part of this season he was by some distance our most creative player making loads of chances for himself and others. Unfortunately a lot of those chances either hit the post or the keeper made a good save or he just missed. That slowly eroded at his confidence and right now he looks way down on that regard. He's had a dissapointing season no doubt but he's got plenty of other seasons to come in his career and we have a new manager who just might help things click. He's this months scapegoat for people who need one, we're playing well and Brad Walkers not featured much so someone else out of the team has become the target.

He isn`t a scapegoat or a target, I have eyes and a brain and with these I can make a judgement without it turning into a witch hunt or a stoning. At the present time he doesn`t look like a player that will do a job for us and if you see potential, good on you, I wouldn`t employ you as a scout though and hope he proves me wrong!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Anyone tweeted Moore if he knew anything about this gentlemens agreement? He seems very active on their by all accounts

born toulouse · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:22 pm

I instagrammed him a picture of two pickled onions and he told me to fuck right off.h

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:52 am

born toulouse wrote:

I i nstagrammed him a picture of two pickled onions and he told me to fuck right off.h

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

born toulouse wrote:

I instagrammed him a picture of two pickled onions and he told me to fuck right off.h

Please tell me you really did do that :laugh:

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