Right, can't get in to see the physio because he's too busy dealing with countless other half dead players so you lot will have to do.

Played on the local 3G pitch two weeks ago. No problem during the game. Woke up and knee was sore. Couldn't bend my knee so that my heel touched my arse, too painful. Felt like something was not quite in the right place and just needed to pop back into place and all would be good. Knee swells during the day. The swelling is above the knee cap and down the outside (of my right knee) and possibly at the back of my knee.

Applied ice for the first 5 days and took anti-inflammatories.

Seemed to get a BIT better, less swelling as the days went by but there is a pain under the knee cap and is sore to the touch. Went for a run with a bit of sprinting on Friday last week and it held up pretty well so decided to play Sunday just gone.

Applied ibuprofen gel and a knee support and it seemed ok until I sprinted full on, then got a pretty sharp pain and started hobbling, thought I'd fucked it. Tried stretching it and jogged a bit and it seemed to go back to same level of pain prior to the sprint (ie painful but can play with it) so played on. Ended up playing about 70mins.

Got up Monday and unsurprisingly was a bit sore again. Didn't play 6 a side Monday night to give it a rest.

Just been training tonight on the 3G and got the fucking sharp pain again. Can't strike the ball with maximum effort. Swollen up again.

Any thoughts?

Could be a number of things, but I had a similar problem that was to do with my iliotibial band getting a slight tear. Best getting yourself to a good sports physio to check it out...

what was the advice for that Mr Kibber?

Could be a million things shilts. The knee is more complex than splitting the atom.

Did you hear or feel a popping noise or sensation when you did it.

Get a decent physio to check it asap. I had to have my meniscus removed a couple of years back and when they compared the scans of my knees they asked if I'd injured it when I was younger because it had advanced wear that was way beyond the other one. I had and they said that proper physio and recovery at the time would have probably made it last as long as the uninjured knee which is still fine.

Do not go to a physio.

If its really swollen and painful you need to go and see a specialist at a hospital.


You need an xray to spot any dislocation or bone damage/ cartlidge.

If the xray shows bone fragments you will then be sent for a scan.

Bone fragments are a tell tale sign of something more serious.

A phsio cannot diagnose these things. They are there to rehabilitate.

This advice is free on this occasion.

Whatever you do dont go to the one life, they dismissed my ankle break as a sprain and dismissed my sons elbow break as nothing.

My ankles still not right 3 months on, cant run properly (not that i ever could) and still feeling discomfort.

Probs gunna have to go to the doctors and get a referral somewhere otherwise it'll never get sorted.

If ligament damage, which sounds like it is due to swelling, it'll need at least 4-5 weeks rest. Apply both hot and cold to aid healing and raise as much as possible. It must be rested, i rolled my ankle and caused both anterior and lateral in Sept 2014 and it still hurts now when i play and requires physio tape on it as i didn't give it enough recovery time and the ligament has thickened as a result. Physio said doing both was a rarity (less than 1% of cases) too so at least i had something special about it. Deffo go to a specialist opinion as stated above and get preferably an MRI scan to rule out any larger damage that requires surgery. In the meantime you should get a phsyio to look at it and apply either ultrasound or wave tech on it to aid healing, quickest way is private if you can spare the £30-£40 to at least get that initial assessment from them instead of waiting 6 months on NHS. It doesn't seem like it's doing a lot at the time but will speed up recovery by breaking it down a little again and making it heal faster and better, depending on the severity.

I see there's a programme on channel 5 tonight, in which Dr "Shilts" Shah treats a young woman with body dysmorphia. Is this you? You can only expect to have bad knees if you go in for this sort of thing.

Seriously, though, everyone above is right. You need to get it checked out properly and meanwhile not put any more strain on it. Hope it soon clears up.

May not be a similar condition but I used to get terrible knee pain after simply walking a few miles ( I played a lot of football when I was younger but only play golf now). After an op the specialist told me if it didn't improve then it was new knee time as I had no cartillege left and my knees were virtually bone to bone. It slowly got worse again but I felt I was too young for a new knee.
In the pharmacy one day and saw this stuff called Flexi-Seq.
Thought I'd try it. It contains no drugs but works by lubricating the knee with tiny amounts of fat that are held in suspension in the gel and slowly soak into the joint.
It's fantastic. I apply a couple of hours before I play and I get no pain whatsoever. Nothing. i've gone fron terrible pain after 6 or 7 holes to no pain at all for the whole round and the rest of the day.
It may not work for everyone or every condition but it has made a huge difference to me.

Top Tip: Don't strap it up and walk 40 miles on it carrying a heavy bergan. It'll never get better. Thats my experience anyway.

Get yourself a walking stick and claim invalidity benefit, jobs a goodun

Right I'm not a Physiotherapist.

Your description sound very much like a problem I had, a knee alignment problem.

There is a groove on the under side of the patella which your ligament runs through when walking /running, if you develop a weakness in the surrounding muscles the result will be the ligament rubbing on the patella this can be very painful.

There are knee alignment exercises on YouTube that were very helpful for me, you shouldn't train until this is sorted. The exercises on YouTube will not make things worse.

Hope this helps, please remember I am not an expert my comments are purely based on my experience and please do not do anything that causes extreme pain. You really do need to see a Physio.

I'm only 20 but I've ad a bad knee myself. It wasn't anything major that was notably wrong and left it for months but I went to see GP and it turned out I had a bit of knee missing and the rest of it wasn't exactly in a good way either. I've had it done and today just been signed off from the hospital.

My advice would be go get it looked at; it might be nothing but like mine it could be worse than expected.

Thanks for all the advice some really interesting things I'd not considered so has been worth asking, cheers

I rang the physio and he said to do pretty much what I've done already (ice, compression, anti-inflammatories) so I think it's a good idea to see the GP (good shout Mr Colonel) and get an x-ray and MRI scan.....that said, it'll have recovered by the time I get the referrals!

Gonna look at the knee alignment thing too - can't do any harm hopefully and may correct it, who knows but from the bits and pieces I've researched I think it sounds like a meniscal injury/tear.

Grabec - my knee looks like it belongs to an elephant not a human in my eyes....perhaps there is nothing wrong with it at all??!

Never heard of Flexi-Seq but I might have a look at it.

Failing all of that I'll take Mr Butt's advice.

Shilts- This link ,might help. Don't try & sort it yourself - get medical advice. GP consult with a possible linked physio referral might be best. Link from NHS Choices that might help pin point what is particular to you-http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/knee-pain/Pages/Introduction.aspx.

I coach sprinters some of whom also play footy/rugby/netball etc & pick up various injuries along the way. Sometimes by doing too much sport or not doing enough strength & conditioning and flexibility work around joints etc. It could be one of many things as the NHS choices link says. You need medical advice with treatment/intervention that is specific to you. You may have to lay off playing/running for a while until it gets sorted. Better that than causing a long-term injury. Best of luck with it.

Does the same apply for excessive masturbation?

Give Mick Ludgate a call on 07776366805. Has a sports physio practice on Queens Meadow. Excellent treatment, Been going to him for years. Sorted out our young'uns hamstring problems out when pools couldn't.

Thanks for the link Mr Barber

Went to see the GP today. Was NOT interested one bit, just wanted me out the door. Because my leg isn't hanging off he just prescribed anti-inflammatories, told me to rest and see the physio as planned. Asked him if I could have an x-ray, he said would be waiting weeks. Asked for an MRI scan and he looked at me like I'd just asked him for a blow job. Clearly an MRI is beyond the budget allowed for someone who spends 5mins at the doctors once every decade.

Remaining option is to cheat the system and visit A&E or continue along the physio route.

Poor.

That's very poor. My knees don't sound as bad as yours, but my GP sent me to see a specialist and I've been having NHS physio for months. I'd chance my practice, if I were you.

Would love to Mr 52....but I live near Hull and I'm guessing Mr Ludgate is in Hartlepool?