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 Post subject: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:01 pm 
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What is Moores problem with Fenwick? when you have Bingham who at the moment couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, but leaves him on when Fenwick is an instinctive centre forward and is probably chomping at the bit to prove a point, and we need the three points, but he refuses to up him on. WHATS HIS PROBLEM??? sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:34 pm 
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VicMick wrote:
What is Moores problem with Fenwick? when you have Bingham who at the moment couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, but leaves him on when Fenwick is an instinctive centre forward and is probably chomping at the bit to prove a point, and we need the three points, but he refuses to up him on. WHATS HIS PROBLEM??? sctatchinghead


I would always start bingham over fenwick but he should be getting a chance. I think there may be more to it than whether moor rates him.
Fenwick has missed his fair amount of chances as well this season and his all round game is light years behind bingham.

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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:42 pm 
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I agree I would start with Bingham, but when it is obvious he is not having much luck in front of goal on the night, the change might get us the three points, but he is reluctant to use him, but there again who am Into question a proffessional manager.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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I agree I would start with Bingham, but when it is obvious he is not having much luck in front of goal on the night, the change might get us the three points, but he is reluctant to use him, but there again who am Into question a proffessional manager.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:58 pm 
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He's featured in 15 of 17 matches this season which hardly suggests he's being frozen out.

The way people are going on about him I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He was playing Northern League football this time last year and some people seem to be putting him on some sort of pedestal. It's a long season he'll get his opportunities and the time to learn and get better. He definitely has a chance of making a career for himself but I don't think he's at a stage were he warrants starts every week, his all round game probably needs to improve a bit before he's at that stage. I'm sure he doesn't want all the attention himself and would rather just get his head down.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:12 am 
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Wasn't his record something like 1 goal in every 2 games last year? For him then to be played out of position wasn't going to be great for his career when basically what he is good at is goal poaching. We needed a goal tonight against the worst away team in the country and he still didn't get a sniff so unless injuries get him into the team cant see where his opportunity will come from under Moore.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:31 am 
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How is playing as part of a front three playing out of position?

He's a forward isn't he?

Unfortunately for him he's got Bingham and Paynter in front of him to play as part of a front two, and when he's in a front three he's probably going to play left of right of a target man as he can't really play with to his back to goal himself. But that isn't out of position he's not being asked to hug the touch line he's being asked to play off a striker. It probably suits him more than playing number 9 were he'll need to hold the ball up and bring others into play, that's what he struggles at.

As I said it's a long season, he'll get his opportunities. Right now I can see why Moore is going for Bingham and Paynter.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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Paynter and Bingham at present are best front 2. Can't play Fenwick with paynter I don't think and pace is absolutely vital.

He should probably be getting more minutes from bench though than at present, for paynter in last 15/20 mins


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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He's featured in 15 of 17 matches this season which hardly suggests he's being frozen out.

The way people are going on about him I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He was playing Northern League football this time last year and some people seem to be putting him on some sort of pedestal. It's a long season he'll get his opportunities and the time to learn and get better. He definitely has a chance of making a career for himself but I don't think he's at a stage were he warrants starts every week, his all round game probably needs to improve a bit before he's at that stage. I'm sure he doesn't want all the attention himself and would rather just get his head down.
playing basically wide on the left is playing out of position isn't it? Whether he is part of a front three or not. The York game a prime example of this where he didn't know whether he was coming or going. Where not winning games, were hardly scoring any goals and he cant get his game against the worst sides in the country this suggests chances of becoming a regular under Moore are remote.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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Our main problem isn't up front its our non-existent midfield that is the glaring issue. Apart from possibly Magnay we don't have a decent midfielder at the club. I hope Ronnie is busy on the blower this morning...


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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If the midfield isn't sorted we will end up in the bottom four. Three months of the season and nothings been done about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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Where is Matthew Bates? is he injured? Must have missed that. Tell you what, he offers way more than any of the Midfielders last night.

Spoke to Paul Stephenson before the game...what I'd give to see him in his prime back in our middle.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:34 am 
It is Paynter who needs pulling at the 60 minute mark, he changes into them lead boots at half time and offers little, he does a good impression of Nish when the ball is lumped up, fresh hungry legs would have more chance at the back end of the game!


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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paynter has been a revelation to be honest, one of the best players we have had for a while at holding the ball up.

however he comes deep to do this so then isn't in the box. I don't really think the front 2 is a problem as we are creating chances, it's been highlighted that the midfield is a problem, and has been for years. We need a proper holding midfielder, and for walker to be out of 11 as he thinks far too much of himself and tries the difficult stuff such as first time passes, as opposed to just taking a touch and playing it simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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I think the best option with Walker would be to send him out on loan. He might have good technical ability (although we don't see a great deal of evidence of it) but he doesn't use his physical assets enough and he simply doesn't work hard enough. He may have represented England at a junior level and won a few awards but if he wants to have a decent professional career he needs to start putting himself about a lot more.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:17 am 
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JohnnyMars wrote:
Our main problem isn't up front its our non-existent midfield that is the glaring issue. Apart from possibly Magnay we don't have a decent midfielder at the club. I hope Ronnie is busy on the blower this morning...


Woods????


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
JohnnyMars wrote:
Our main problem isn't up front its our non-existent midfield that is the glaring issue. Apart from possibly Magnay we don't have a decent midfielder at the club. I hope Ronnie is busy on the blower this morning...


Woods????


Woods puts a good shift in and can at least tackle, although he often comes off worst. He isn't a natural athlete and struggles with the physical side of the game. Good attitude though.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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JohnnyMars wrote:
I think the best option with Walker would be to send him out on loan. He might have good technical ability (although we don't see a great deal of evidence of it) but he doesn't use his physical assets enough and he simply doesn't work hard enough. He may have represented England at a junior level and won a few awards but if he wants to have a decent professional career he needs to start putting himself about a lot more.


Loan option would be a good idea and work if the problem is his attitude and to give him a kick up the arse but is that the problem?

At current performance levels he will be dropping down to the Spenymoors etc in next few years.

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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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I think a loan move out of the area would be a good idea. Toughen him up a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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Billy Paynter did something last night I had not seen him do all season he passed the ball away, he was so shocked he almost pulled his shirt over his head. I was not expecting much from him on signing but he has got goals helps out at the back knows the game, if he had Binghams pace he would not be at Pools.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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He's featured in 15 of 17 matches this season which hardly suggests he's being frozen out.

The way people are going on about him I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He was playing Northern League football this time last year and some people seem to be putting him on some sort of pedestal. It's a long season he'll get his opportunities and the time to learn and get better. He definitely has a chance of making a career for himself but I don't think he's at a stage were he warrants starts every week, his all round game probably needs to improve a bit before he's at that stage. I'm sure he doesn't want all the attention himself and would rather just get his head down.
playing basically wide on the left is playing out of position isn't it? Whether he is part of a front three or not. The York game a prime example of this where he didn't know whether he was coming or going. Where not winning games, were hardly scoring any goals and he cant get his game against the worst sides in the country this suggests chances of becoming a regular under Moore are remote.


He's never played wide on the left, since we switched to 4-4-2 Oates has started, when he has (like at York) he has in a forward in a 4-3-3. Agreed left or right of Paynter but it's not a wide position. Obviously especially away from home playing that formation your forwards have to also work hard and do a job going the other way, if he can't do that then it's one of the areas he needs to work on and improve. He was really poor at York, Oates came on and did a lot better. He was awful for 45 minutes in the previous away game I saw him at Carlisle (when playing in a front two) before Harewood came on and changed the game.

I agree with those people talking about midfield, we need leaders at both central half (beyond this month) and a commanding presence in centre midfield. Our front two look pretty good to me, the goals will come, at least they are creating chances to miss.


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 Post subject: Re: Moore/Fenwick
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The fact is Bingham at least makes the 'keeper work. He hardly ever blazes over/wide and it won't be long before he goes on a decent scoring spree of games(IMHO) It may stem from one going in off his backside but at moment I think Fenwick is nothing more than a sub.

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