latest reports are that the labour party are saying that Jezza WILL sing the national anthem in future.

nothing like a man of principles accepting the queen's shilling as a popularity winner then eh ?

oh do shut up you twisted old queen.

Talk about damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Sings and he's a hypocrite, doesn't sing and he's a rabid Bolshevik who has come to eat Britain's babies.

Next thing is he has to bend his knee to old Liz because the leader of the opposition is a privy councillor. He can say no and have a debate that might take us all the way to the incoming Remembrance Day Crisis and have none of his policies discussed for months. Or he can say, 'Oh fuck it, stupid old tradition but why let it get in the way of the real debate," in which case the Tory rags will vilify him for doing exactly what they said he should. Whatever he does regarding these minor issues gullible twats will still swallow the diet of Corbyn abuse served up by most of the media.

I reckon his best option is to go for a clean sweep - refuse to bend his knee and thrn kick the queen up the arse while wearing a white poppy in his undone top button, not singing the national anthem and cuddling a member of ISIS. There'd be massive outrage on Twitter for a couple of days and then everybody could get down to talking about policies and what might make ordinary people's lives a bit better. Or even what can be done now to stop the Tories making them even worse.

what about the irony of corbyn pretending he's principled, then doing a complete volte-face when the press kick off ??

incorrect. he's done a volte-face from his stance of refusing to sing the anthem. hence he was pretending to be principled but, in fact, is the same as the rest of them.

The corbyn haters seem to be very edgy about him. Nervous infact.

Which is odd considering how you would thimk they would be delighted he won.

Just an observation.

don't hate the bloke at all. he's an irrelevance.

Unemployment in the NE has risen by 13,000 in the last quarter, and by 10,000 nationally overall, think about that for a moment and tell me the Tories aint' doing their level best to screw us up good and proper.

Tis true. If corbyn had buttoned up his shirt nissan would have created 10000 new jobs.

The bastad.

Loved his performance yesterday.

Q1. Tell me about your economic policies and how you will be successful Mr Cameron.
Q2. Tell me about your health policies and how you will be successful Mr Cameron.
Q3. Tell me about your benefits policies and how you will be successful Mr Cameron.

It was like a Conservative Party Political Broadcast followed by a good kicking by the DUP gadgie.

A touch naive it seemed.

He put the questions that people had sent him and Cameron had to respond politely and rein in his usual crew of braying toffs instead of doing the public school bully at the debating society routine. He's had a lot of stick over the last few days but that was a win for Corbyn in my book. It isn't as if anybody normally listens to the answers anyway, there is usually too much booing, false laughter and waving of papers for any proper discussion.

Plus Cameron made a right prick of himself by going back to normal for the SNP question. Couldn't have made it clearer that he doesn't know what to do if the opposition stay very calm, polite and focused on the damage his policies are doing.

He doesn't know what to do because he hasn't really got an argument.

Very clever tactic by Jez. Cameron gives a shitty reply and he's basically spoken down and condescended the electorate in public. Win win for the common man!

Either you lot were on Meth or you didn't watch it. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights. Where were the secondary questions, where was the incisive probing of parliamentary facts? There was none and Cameron was allowed to give a speech on policy without a hint of contradiction.

He looked what he is. Inexperienced at this level. I also noticed that he is shifting on policy, even in his first few days. I become less and less concerned about him each day as he clearly is being found out very quickly. I'll give him 18 months before the Labour leader is called David Milliband.

It will be like watching pools go to Chelsea corbyn going up against cameron alright for ten minutes then be totally out of his depth for the other 80.

I believe you have a question to answer too

The whole point was not to engage with Cameron on the ground he's used to. Instead of point scoring and then turning round to grin at your own crowd of sycophants Corbyn just asked good questions that he'd picked out of the 40,000 that were sent to him and then listened politely to the answers. That was enough to undermine the usual panto type farce that usually goes on.

There is a fine line between shifting on policy and being prepared to discuss and debate sensibly so you can find the right policy.

20'000 over five year and none of them from Calais or Europe. Yeah thats a real shift compared to the 800'000 that the Krauts are taking in. Mind you they have the space after their 20th century atrocities.

No, they're swarms.

If that were to happen (and I hope it doesn't), I'd put my money on Dan Jarvis.

I suppose you just have to accept, in the end, that it's not the political system or individual politicians or even political parties that's the problem, it's the fact that there isn't a sufficiency of people in the world who are both intelligent enough and ethical enough to want to change things.

You listen to the rantings of most internet posters and realise they'd most of them just rather shout down the opposition than try to change anything for the better.

The witch hunt against Corbyn, because it's nothing else but a witch hunt, underlines this. Most people seem simply to want him to fail, for a whole raft of reasons, none of them to do with what would be good for the country or for most of the people who live in it.

Chip, did you miss my often repeated point that I don't like Cameron? That aside he tore Corbyn a new one and left him bleeding in the gutter.

I'd vote for him.

I wish we had a proper Labour Party to vote for. One which actually did represent your average working people. Not the clowns who've been running their show for the last few decades and certainly not one fronted up by the biggest fruit cake in the bakers shop.

I wish you were right! But you're not. And we only bought our house less than a year ago. I offered £500 but they told me to fuck right off.

Of course he should have sang the national anthem, if so much as even a mark of respect for the men who fought and died to give the likes of him who was born only 4 years after the war a chance to grow up and prosper in this country. If he's good enough to lead a political party in BRITAIN and earn a good wage paid by British people he should show his respect to real men who put their lives on the line for Britain.

Question Time was a revelation tonight. My hope for Corbyn is that he pulls the 'centre ground' (nothing more than a construct) away from the current neoliberal consensus. That was certainly the case tonight on QT.

Can you read his mind? Are you sure he means this when he didn't sing?

I never sing the national anthem, and I have the chance at least once a year. None of the things you note above apply to my choice. What the anthem means to you, may not apply to others. Viva la difference.

Know what he's thinking? His actions spoke louder than his lack of words. I thought even that would be obvious to you?
Mind, I'm not sure if his £125,000 a year salary (85% pay rise) and free chauffeur driven car fits in with his anti-austerity and workers champion stance, do you?

Do people REALLY get upset at others not singing a rubbish song with stupid lyrics?

I mean REALLY? Or is just a poor attempt at getting bites?

Or even worse, just a way to show you are more proud to be English than everyone else?

And yes, I DID mean English.

I have been on a course for three days, and this was brought up in a discussion period. The Corbyn incident.

One of my colleagues was adamant that by not singing, he disrespected the queen and her subjects. He was serious.

And he too felt the top button issue was also a mark of disrespect.

He is also a prominant member of his local church.

I suspect there is a link.

I just laughed at him. Loudly.

I think this article is a clear rebuke to anyone who thinks Corbyn not singing the anthem doesn't matter. It surprised me but, having read it, I now think Mr 3quid has a point.

http://newsthump.com/2015/09/16/god-ref ... sk-nicely/

Totally agree.....a self righteous ramble of verses basically lauding up the Queen, with not a mention of it's subjects or landmarks. I mean 'send her victorious' ......is she leading us into battle?, more likely as someone touched on earlier huddled in the basement of Buck Pal' with her family eating all of the things the other citizens were being rationed of.

I can understand current and ex-forces personnel as they swear allegiance to 'Queen and country'.....but the rest of us?

I've gone off it since we stopped singing the fourth verse!

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the Queen.

3Quid, you seem unable to take in even the smallest point.

Fatman said this: "I never sing the national anthem, and I have the chance at least once a year. None of the things you note above apply to my choice. What the anthem means to you, may not apply to others."

What's very worrying is that there are so many people who choose to take this route of not exercising their brains, and yet they still have the vote.

I understand the anger and objection to an action perceived to be anti Royal and Anti British, by a person who is leader of a party who aim for high office and to become Prime Minister of this country. I do however struggle to reconcile this with what those of WW's 1, 2 and subsequent conflicts fought for and that is freedom. We can't allow freedom to only those who agree with us because that by definition is not freedom. A bloke called Voltaire once said it far better than I;



Rough Translation = Sir, I disagree with every word you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.

Politics, blah blah blah, Freedom of speech is wonderful, right up there with the freedom not to listen!

Can we get back to football, sandals, recipes and other bunker bollocks, friends fall out over politics, religion and anything to do with PJ

To be fair, the politics threads are all obviously-named. All ye have to do is ignore them.

Ah well, when I opened it, I expected it to be about the actor Corbyn Kennedy, you know him from the vampire diaries and other lesser known tripe, there should be a health alert like what is on fag packets and by fag packets I mean cigarettes!

Snubbing the Rugby now. What a t*at this bloke is.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 50931.html

"No middle of the road political opinions here", eh?
Is this Mr I's version of passive-aggressive or is he pointing out that no-one he thinks of as 'middle of the road' has yet said how he/she would go about mending the country?

If the second, it's an interesting question. Mr Ripper, for example, has said that he wants a Labour Party that would represent him, but he hasn't said what the policies are that he would approve of. So what would the policies be?

Phil - I know, I was on a wind up. I am a fully paid up member of Corbyns army