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 Post subject: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:51 am 
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I see the Labour Party has managed to get over its enthusiasm pretty quickly. All over the news this morning are Labour politicians queuing up to trash Corbyn's senior cabinet. Charles Clarke being the leading voice.

They say that MacDonnell (Shadow Chancellor) is a touch more left wing than Lenin and will isolate pretty much everyone. He espouses policies of nationalisation that did so well last time and along with his leader he is gushing about the IRA and its 'bravery'. This is the bloke who advocated the assassination of a sitting British Prime Minister.

Burnham & Benn. Fair enough but I predict that Burnham won't stick around.

It looks to me like the Corbyn & MacDonnell show. That is a very very left wing outfit, further to the left that Labour was in the days of Militant Tendancy. Stand by for an SDP Mk II.


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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:14 am 
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Oh do give over, John. The Labour Party members who 'have got over their enthusiasm quickly' aren't the ones who were enthusiastic about Corbyn in the first place.
And the man who is now Shadow Chancellor presumably shares Corbyn's own views on economics...views which were recently endorsed by two dozen leading economists.

That's all that's relevant to me at the moment.


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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:53 am 
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Funny how Corbyn spends decades loyally supporting the Labour Party despite the fact that the leadership had moved far to the right but the Blairites start planning coups and splits as soon as they lose a leadership election.

If I was in the Labour Party, which I'm not, I'd be arguing to de-select the MPs who are making it very clear that they know best regardless of the views of the membership and the result of a democratic vote. They deserve to get their arses kicked for their arrogance and refusal to believe that there could ever be an alternative to their mantra about only being able to beat the Tories by being like them. If you look at Scotland, Greece and Spain it isn't hard to spot that things are changing a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:07 am 
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Lot of threads getting started by anti Corbyn supporters across both boards. I thought this bloke was harmless, so why give him airspace. Seems a lot of folk are worried that he may have an impact, but not prepared to admit it.

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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:03 am 
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I'll give him six months before he's ousted by his own party.


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"All over the news this morning...."

And who, in your all knowing, all Maggie worshipping, myopic world, do you suspect controls the media Mr I ?

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I don't think anyone could accuse the BBC of being right wing!

The hotel looks a nice gaff by the way Mr Fawlty.


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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I don't think anyone could accuse the BBC of being right wing!



And they're most clearly not left wing. As I pointed out yesterday, whenever they want an economics 'expert', they nearly always go to a city 'in house' economist. You're hardly likely to get anti-austerity arguments there, are you? There are a host of academic economists who would happily provide a different narrative, but they're never asked. The BBC are so scared, particularly under Tory governments, of being accused of 'left wing bias', that they lean too far the other way.

Granted, they're not Sky News, but we know what to expect there.

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For my part, I accepted yesterday that his brand of printing money to generate activity is worth a try. I do not believe in the ultra austerity mantra and I've had a similar argument at work for years. In very simple terms; where you have a failing business its all very well for the accountants to cut costs but that will only take it so far and ultimately it will kill a business. Eventually you need to pour more revenue in to make it successful.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
For my part, I accepted yesterday that his brand of printing money to generate activity is worth a try. I do not believe in the ultra austerity mantra and I've had a similar argument at work for years. In very simple terms; where you have a failing business its all very well for the accountants to cut costs but that will only take it so far and ultimately it will kill a business. Eventually you need to pour more revenue in to make it successful.


Excuse my irreverence but wasn't that Gordon Brown's Plan when the worldwide economic crash occurred?

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I don't think anyone could accuse the BBC of being right wing!

The hotel looks a nice gaff by the way Mr Fawlty.


I didn't mention the BBC in particular, Mr I, I said "media" I was referring to (among others) Sky and Fox News et al, although the way that Oxbridge educated newspaper editors look after such beacons of enlightenment such as The Sun and the Daily Mail does tend to make one slightly cynical of how change and equality will ever occur.....

The hotel is a fantastic gaff by the way. Unfortunately, it is situated precisely in the middle of a well known town called "nowhere"

One of my lifetime dreams is to host an evening (free beer and wine of course) to which I would invite such good people as yourself, ECG, ADG, Chip Fireball, Horden, Grabec, Poolie in Nottingham, TWH, Yupeb, Mutley etc (Apologies to the luminaries Ive missed out) and to stand behind that bar listening to you all "discuss" the meaning of life, religion and politics....!!!
I would also enjoy watching Fireball and Dibble battle for Grabec's attention....as last orders were called (about 5am..) Until that glorious day, the Bunker will have to come a very entertaining second.

PS You come across as far too bright to be a Tory ?

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He not a real Tory just loves Dame Margret RIP...

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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
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He not a real Tory just loves Dame Margret RIP...

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There is some truth in that...


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I don't think anyone could accuse the BBC of being right wing!



And they're most clearly not left wing. As I pointed out yesterday, whenever they want an economics 'expert', they nearly always go to a city 'in house' economist. You're hardly likely to get anti-austerity arguments there, are you? There are a host of academic economists who would happily provide a different narrative, but they're never asked. The BBC are so scared, particularly under Tory governments, of being accused of 'left wing bias', that they lean too far the other way.

Granted, they're not Sky News, but we know what to expect there.


Always interesting to see Paul Krugman on a BBC show (usually Newsnight), he never fails to tear the argument of whatever Tory no-mark they've put up against him that night apart. It'd make my day if Osborne finally grew some balls and went up against him, but it would never happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
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Corbyn would destroy Cameron, as would my old man, if Cameron walked into the Rat Race. The like of Corbyn have lived and breathed the struggle for over 40 years, Grunwick, Wapping, Miners Strike, Poll Tax, Iraq war. Cameron probably coudnt even name what year these events took place.

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 Post subject: Re: Corbyn (ii) The Shadow Cabinet
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Well, I'm not going in the Rat Race anymore......................

And why, oh why, hasn't the Great leader Ian Wright not been put in charge of the NHS, Grand Central and the International Mill House Project?


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Cameron would never sup' in the Rat Race, for a start they don't sell Pimms or venison flavour crisps, and there wouldn't be enough room for all of his bodyguards.

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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
Well, I'm not going in the Rat Race anymore......................

And why, oh why, hasn't the Great leader Ian Wright not been put in charge of the NHS, Grand Central and the International Mill House Project?


Thats fine by me marra! as for Wright he is a fookin shite MP, who anywhere else in the country wouldn't get re-elected, but I guess as a poolie you have to sort that out amongst yourselves banghead

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I think most people on here of all political persuasions would agree with the comment about Wright being a fucking awful M.P.

I can at least sleep at night safe in the knowledge I have never voted for him. Or the sleazebag that did the job before him.


You mean 'Guacamole Man'.......is there actually any truth in that story or was it just paper talk?

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Chip Fireball wrote:
I think most people on here of all political persuasions would agree with the comment about Wright being a fucking awful M.P.

I can at least sleep at night safe in the knowledge I have never voted for him. Or the sleazebag that did the job before him.


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