One my favourite things that you do on message boards, even better when you claim to have predicted stuff correctly years ago, is somehow blame fellow supporters 'mentality' for a defeat. You've done it for years

It's borderline crazy talk it really, really is.

You're right thought Bournemouth aren't an impressive side at all I mean what have they done in the last couple of years and when was the last time they scored 4 away from home... Oh shit.

West Ham fans are also weak minded clearly.

Got to agree we totally rolled over and give them the easiest cup win they will probably ever get. Lets not forget where playing bournmouth here people are going on like there barcelona or ac Milan. There one of the favourites to drop out of the premier league and not only that changed 11 players. We have beaten some better teams than that in some of our cup shocks of yesteryear It was embarrassing how easy we let them have it. We have a defeatist attitude at the club which seems to have rubbed of onto the players tonight.

like I said when it was made...'shite draw'. Didn't think their squad players would dominate like they did though., but reckon they broughT around a 100 fans - SUPERB STUFF.

You always know you're on the wrong side of an argument when the 2 main people agreeing with you are Horden and Brian Clough...

I'm sure if we had chosen a better formation and went ultra defensive we could have kept them down to 2. Either way we were always going to get beat. They were fantastic.

The one thing I do agree with Chip on, is that Bingham, same goes with Fenwick, are both wasted wide.

The season is a long one and we've started very well. Let's get back to winning ways at Carlisle.

I thought fenwick had a great game playing centrally. Bingham's pace scare league two defenders but the amount of chances he has fluffed is terrible. He needs to be putting some of them away

If we went out defensively we we would have got beaten anyway FFS. May as well h ave a go and still get beat. To start out with a mindset of get beat a couple and think it's a good result is bobbins. It's not wrong to try and play to your perceived strengths and give it a go. Ronnie Would have known that at the outset. We got stuffed by a far better team and learned a few lessons. That's just sometimes how it is.

I know it's a message board for opinions but if people seriously believe we just rolled over and allowed them to dominate, then they have lost touch with the game of football.

I had some bloke in front of me shouting to 'smash them' and 'it does not matter if got a red as long as hit them hard'. It's not the 70's were tackles go unpunished and we couldn't get close enough to try anyways.

Agree what seems to be an attacking formation might not of been the best but not really sure what else would of done. The long ball that we played was because we were constantly under pressure and anyone remotely able to understand football knows it's sometimes better to just get rid if you are being harried by 2/3 players.

Other teams we have beaten at this stage, rarely focus their game on keep ball. Likes of Stoke and west brom were a bit more direct and we can at least cope/or attempt to cope with that much better

We move on and if we get 3 points on Saturday, who really cares.

Maybe a bit naive going 4-3-3, Bournemouth were superb, one of the best teams I've seen at the Vic in many years. I wouldn't call our performance embarrassing or read to much into it, we were simply outclassed and couldn't get near them. We picked up a bit in the 2nd half when a few changes were made. The score line could have been much worse if it wasn't for Bartlett having another great night.

I said on the Original thread it was a terrible draw for us. That team was made up with players that butchered the championship last season and new signings deemed good enough to play in the premiership. They had a 8m pound defender and a highly rated youngster from Chelsea. It's not an embarrassment at all its a learning curve.

Who really thought we would win?? We were priced 17/2 at home that tells me 4-0 is about right. They have been ran superbly and we had ior. Just because this was a league game a couple of years ago dosnt mean it should have been close.

I watched them a few times last season as they were top and featured on sky a fair bit and they were impressive as fuck. The way they play football is a joy to watch. Quick passing flowing football that tears teams apart. They leave gaps at the back as they have full confidence in what they do going forward.

It's a wake up call that was needed in my eyes. We've won games this season despite being 2nd best at times and we have a big game on Saturday. I'm certain Ronnie Moore will use this result to his advantage and get the very best out of everyone come Saturday.

bang on.

For me it wasn't that we were outclassed hugely - and we were, it was the manner of the defeat. We looked like an average league two team which to be fair, we are and let's not forget that this was essentially Bournemouth's reserves.

Chip is right in that the formation was poor and allowed a good (not great) team to walk through at will. They were good but I think we flattered them. We didn't have the look of a team player as a unit, it was all a big fragmented. On the plus side, the team hasn't been together long so hopefully they will improve.

what exactly did people want us to line up with?

442 with who as wingers? smith and bingham? smith and featherstone/walker?

far too many people are underestimating just how good they were, regardless of if think we allowed them to be that good. their 'reserves' consisted of a championship regular goalkeeper, a player who played half a season in prem last season, an £8 million left back as well as numerous other regulars who were part of a team that ripped apart the championship whilst winning the league with attacking football.

Surely, anyone can see that when the better team plays well with the ball, they just stretch you to open gaps and the second anyone switches off, it's where you get punished.

We are an average league 2 side, let's remember that, in an average division. Regardless how bournemouth do in premier league this season, they are still several divisions higher t than us regardless of their lineup. That 11 they had out last night I imagine would easily walk our division.

I was more upset we let that 'lovely lovely person' Kermogant score.

My point is similar to Chips, we could have lined up in a better formation against them rather than leave so much of ourselves exposed.

Just so fast. Everything they did was quick. Couldn't get near them.

I'm not sure that we could've done anything to prevent defeat but a more defensive approach would surely have seen us concede fewer.

I don't agree that we were beaten by their reserves and therefore it's a poor result. I'd fully expect Bournemouth's reserves to win League Two given the chance. How many of their players from that side would walk into our first team? All of them.

I wanted to see more of that Ritchie fella because he really is the dogs nuts.

just as a side question, how would you of chose to line up with the players we have available and a better formation?

It's a pity that donkey Elphick wasn't playing as it would have given us more of a chance. If Eddie Howe thinks he is a Premier League player and better then Sylvan Disten then he has a shock coming to him. Bingham would have torn him a new arsehole.

Don't need to go back 7 years, just the season before last against Atletico.

I assume that this is a joke response. Someone acknowledged that this is a message board and that people are entitled to their opinions - oh fcuk me it was you! It would appear that you are one of those contributors who seriously believe that only their opinions matter but at least get your facts right. I never inferred that there was a lack of effort from the lads but let's be honest they never got stuck into Bournemouth until it was way too late. I maintained from when the draw was made that this MM cup tie was nothing but an irrelevance but maybe some good will come out of it if it has opened RMs eyes to some of the fundamental weaknesses within his current squad which thankfully he at least acknowledges is far from the finished article.

Yes if we turn the shaggers over on Sat then last night may be all but forgotten - but if we lose again to a side that has yet to win a league game and concede further sloppy goals to add to the six conceded without response in the last two games, then the promising start to the season will become a fast-fading memory.

Does anyone think this team is the finished article?

Has anyone got carried away with the start of the season?

Do you reckon a bloke who has managed the thick end of a 1000 games needed last night to open his eyes?

You are not saying anything that anyone has ever said. The squad clearly has its limitations and most people have acknowledged that we've ride our luck in the some of the wins, like you need to at times at this level. Last night doesn't change a thing on that score.

We'll win games and we'll lose them but we finished 3rd bottom of the League last season even mid table is progress from that.

don't let this get away from the fact you said 'shoddy performances across the pitch'. I simply disagree with this as don't think anyone really was shoddy, just more of a fact no-one was able to play particularly well. Woods got stuck in a few times (heart in mouth moment every time though) and the others tried but simply couldn't get close.

Don't really think a directly scored freekick can be deemed sloppy either. Just my opinion though.