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 Post subject: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:35 pm 
For me....

David James....too old so time for the young'uns!!!! :coool:
Glen Johnson....I thought he was a very good player but proved he can't do it at the top!!!! confised
Steve Gerrard....Over rated and can't do it for England!!!! confised
John Terry....Shite and a tvvat!!!! :evil:
Frank Lampard....see Gerrard!!!! confised
Matt Upson....cracking goal but just not good enough!!!! confised
Shaun-Wright-Phillips....If he's International Class so am I!!!! confised
Emile Heskey....Bobbins!!!! confised

It's time to get rid of the deadwood and give the Young'uns a go!!!! :coool:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:54 pm 
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For me....

David James....too old so time for the young'uns!!!! :coool:
Glen Johnson....I thought he was a very good player but proved he can't do it at the top!!!! confised
Steve Gerrard....Over rated and can't do it for England!!!! confised
John Terry....Shite and a tvvat!!!! :evil:
Frank Lampard....see Gerrard!!!! confised
Matt Upson....cracking goal but just not good enough!!!! confised
Shaun-Wright-Phillips....If he's International Class so am I!!!! confised
Emile Heskey....Bobbins!!!! confised

It's time to get rid of the deadwood and give the Young'uns a go!!!! :coool:


Agree with most of them apart from Johnson, we have no one else to replace him with, Terry is still the best England have so I dont agree with him either, apart from that I agree


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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:02 pm 
John Terry is way too slow as got proved in the World Cup....he was once a Rock....not anymore!!!! confised

Watching bits of Johnson in the Premiershoite last season and in the friendlies I thought he looked a helluva player....but I got proved wrong....he was absolutley bollox and if we have no-one to replace him who's better God help us....and the same goes for Terry!!!! sadx


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I think it would have been more apt to state which players we would keep.

IMO the only ones to keep are:

*Milner
*Rooney (although he needs a serious boot up the arse)
* Lampard
* Johnson (but wing back as part of a back 5)

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I'd keep milner, ashley cole, gerrard and rooney


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peter hartleys left foot wrote:
I'd keep milner, ashley cole, gerrard and rooney


Oh, yeah forgot about ashley cole. I would keep joe cole too.

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:40 pm 
Grave wrote:
I think it would have been more apt to state which players we would keep.

IMO the only ones to keep are:

*Milner
*Rooney (although he needs a serious boot up the arse)
* Lampard
* Johnson (but wing back as part of a back 5)


Keep Lampard? When was his last good game for England? In fact has he ever had a good game for England? sctatchinghead


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Grave wrote:
I think it would have been more apt to state which players we would keep.

IMO the only ones to keep are:

*Milner
*Rooney (although he needs a serious boot up the arse)
* Lampard
* Johnson (but wing back as part of a back 5)


Keep Lampard? When was his last good game for England? In fact has he ever had a good game for England? sctatchinghead


Without Gerrard in there I reckon Lampard would do fine. We just cant accomodate both of them

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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wasn't it Lampard's shit free kicks that kept hitting the wall - and not just hitting the wall but not even getting above bollock height - from one of which the Germans broke away and scored the decisive goal?

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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I reckon that they should get shot of those older than 30 and start blooding the younguns ready for the next World Cup, people always twist on saying that some players haven't got the international experience, so start playing them now and then they will. They should build the team around Milner and Rooney plus Joe Hart should now be first choice keeper. Maybe it is now time to get rid of the rigid 4-4-2 formation as well


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The Germans started to rebuild 3 years ago we havent that is why what happened that swede did not help either banghead


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saw a really good section on sky sports news this morning about who they have highlighted for the next world cup and should be given a chance.

Johnson - get him on the left as part of a 5 man midfield
Gibbs - over coming injury but will be there in 4 years time
Jack Wilshere - only up and coming flair player we have
Walcott - I know he has been crap of late but he is still very young
Cahill from bolton
oh and the forgotten man Owen Hargreaves

Think that we should be looking to the Euro's and then the World cup 5 man midfield


Johnson Joe cole Milner Walcott
Hargreaves as D/midlfielder

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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For me the only players to come out of this with any credit are James, A Cole and those not selected. As for who else to retain in an England shirt: well Rooney for whatever reason didn't perform. That said he is still a real class player so I'd keep him. Gerrard, Terry, Heskey, Upson, SWP and Lampard get immediate P45's.

As for the manager I really don't know. The knee jerk reaction is to sack Capello and put Harry Redknapp in, but then what? we've tried soft managers like Eriksson and McLaren. We've had disciplinarians like Capello and as for the relatively successful one - Bobby Robson, well he got England to the semi final but kind of by mistake. The formation that worked in that world cup was forced on him by injuries and suspensions.

Everyone is getting worked up about Capello and yes, his tactics failed miserably but the players seem to be getting away with murder. They were the ones who were inept and in the main they were the players most of the so called experts would have selected.

I'd leave Capello where he is and build from scratch with a young team of up and coming players. It worked for the Germans.


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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:00 am 
from that squad I'd bin
carragher
heskey
stevie g
fat frank
terry
upson
barry
james
green
wright phillips
king
cole j
there might be more that I've forgotten about.....
rooneys lucky to make my cut an all as is johnson


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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:37 pm 
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Well im amazed, funny thing footie innit, for me

Johnson was the biggest absoloute liability ive ever seen, and nine times out of ten lost the ball,
Gerrard was the only player without question (in my opinion of course) to show any type of passion and determination, out of position for a lazy bone idol Rooney (i feel there is more to Rooney actually, something wrong there and im not sure what) would love to go on, but cant be arsed to type............(why cant i do them long paragraphs that others do???)
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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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How about for this team for the next round of qualifiers etc:

Hart

johnson, Terry, Dawson/Cahill, Cole

Hargreaves

Walcott, Cole / Gerrard, Milner, Johnson

Rooney

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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Compo wrote:
How about for this team for the next round of qualifiers etc:

Hart

johnson, Terry, Dawson/Cahill, Cole

Hargreaves

Walcott, Cole / Gerrard, Milner, Johnson

Rooney


Wrong answer.

You've got carthorse Terry in that team.

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:09 pm 
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Compo wrote:
How about for this team for the next round of qualifiers etc:

Hart

johnson, Terry, Dawson/Cahill, Cole

Hargreaves

Walcott, Cole / Gerrard, Milner, Johnson

Rooney


Wrong answer.

You've got carthorse Terry in that team.



Terry is a complete and unter twatting waste of space


Bring back Owen Hargreaves as well

Don't give Redknapp the job

that is all


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Theres more chance of the FA giving me the job than to Harry Redknapp so I wouldn't worry too much about that

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:15 pm 
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Theres more chance of the FA giving me the job than to Harry Redknapp so I wouldn't worry too much about that



I don't know, they gave Mclaren the job


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McLaren didnt have a track record of being a dodgy c**t though!

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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Isn't Redknapp still on bail too?

If so, no chance would they give him the job.

Nor should there be anyway, he's an arsehole. The media portraying him as "the people's choice" is not just sickening it's wrong.

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I'd quite happily have him in charge but it won't happen

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I thought Gerard was Ok, especially when you consider he was played completely out of position. Him Ashley Cole and Rooney are the only three that I'd keep....my team for the next friendly would be.

hart
richards ferdinand dawson cole

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
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If Redknapp is so keen on the job and such a big patriot, he should take it part time for no wages. He's obviously seen the golden egg though. The man has a dodgy past, won 1 cup in his time as a manager (almost 25 years) and his only European experience is in the Intertoto cup.

He's been given a blank cheque book and managed to get Spurs into the Champions League, but lets face it, they won't last long in that and he's got practically no chance of achieving the feat again with Man City on the rise.

The only English manager I would give the job to is Roy Hodgson and that's purely down to experience.

Finally, Gerrard played ok in a bad, bad side. Showed a bit of passion and was played out of position yet again. I do realise that it's trendy to slate him though coz he plays for Liverpool.

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:06 pm 
Much as I would have liked to see an English manager I think they should now stick with Capello. The fault here lies squarely at the feet of a bunch of over paid, over hyped (Rooney) prima donnas who don't have enough pride and passion when it comes to playing for their country.

Over the last few years we have had some of the best managers in world footbal, all with excellent credentials, and all have failed to get the best out of the players. For me its a mentality thing - players who are outstanding for their clubs, who pay their wages, but who are just one of 11 when playing for England.

I think Capello will be able to see this - it needs time to build a good squad, both at club level and at a national level. Lets see how we do in the European championships and then look at the manager again.


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I'm so dpressed right now over the national team.

I certainly don't think you can blame Capello, every single one of us would of picked more or less exactly the same team (maybe 1 or 2 changes, but that is all).

The way I see it, we were beaten by a German team of which 7 of the starting 11 play together week in week out together at Bayern. 6 of them won the Euro under 21's.

For me its much deeper than changing the manager or even the current players. You could of had Mourihno, Ferguson even fookin Brian Clough. You can only play with what you have got.

It has been such a wake up call for me. Going into this I believed the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry etc were genuine world class players. I was sadly mistaken, of course they look the fookin busines knocking them in against the likes of Bolton, Wolves and Stoke City. Put them up against genuine world class, born winners, and they crumble like a wet hob nob.

We have GOT to cap the amount of foreign players in the premier league, its the only way. We have had a great record in recent years in the champions league, thats because all of our clubs players are bloody foreign. The young lads aren't getting a look in.

I agree that we need a clear out and get the young ones in, but some of the names being metioned here are quite simply farcial: Milner, A Johnson, Gibbs, Wiltshire etc, all decent players but bloody hell they are no world beaters. I don't see Real or Barca or Milan breaking the door down to sign them, they are going after the young brazilians & Argies who are currently banging them in left, right and centre for Bocca jnr's and river plate.

What depresses me most is that its not gonna change anytime soon. It will rumble on for years until the FA's hand is forced. Then its gonna take 20 years until we start seeing the benefit. So I don't see us winning a world cup for about another 30 to 40 years, and the most depressing thing of all...............I don't know whether I'll still be here to see it.

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I'd like to see Gerrard in his favoured position for England which has never happened. If he was rubbish then, I would agree with the naysayers. Until then, i'll reserve judgement. The bloke has scored in every major final he has played in when playing in that role.

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I wonder why he's had 80 odd caps then. Must be rubbish.

I know what you're saying but I just feel he was never played to his strengths. Good teams are built around good players. Check out Argentina, Spain, Brazil etc.

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I wonder why he's had 80 odd caps then. Must be rubbish.

I know what you're saying but I just feel he was never played to his strengths. Good teams are built around good players. Check out Argentina, Spain, Brazil etc.


So he's had 80 odd caps. There's many an English player who should have won more than they did.

Hoddle, was constantly over looked for the so called "better players" but they weren't better they were more workmanlike. You could even say more physical. The likes of Robson, Reid and Wilkins couldn't lace his boots as far as technical ability was concerned but he kept getting overlooked for that type of player.

So in my opinion in that era the England team should have been built around Hoddle but it wasn't because the manager's wanted a physical presence.

Argentina, Brazil and Spain have player's that are more technical than England player's and until we start to bring in the "flair" players we will continue to struggle.

That could well be a coaching problems the gifted kids may have it coached out of them in exchange for a more physical approach.

Look at Wenger's way for proof of that , his teams play football, and don't have a so called hard man in the team.

A footballer wins a cap because the current manager rates him, and as we know football is all about opinions.

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just saying Bryan Robson was physical was a bit unfair on him - he had the lot as a midfielder - true world class player

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 Post subject: Re: Which England Players Would You Now Get Shot Of????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:35 pm 
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I wonder why he's had 80 odd caps then. Must be rubbish.

I know what you're saying but I just feel he was never played to his strengths. Good teams are built around good players. Check out Argentina, Spain, Brazil etc.


So he's had 80 odd caps. There's many an English player who should have won more than they did.

Hoddle, was constantly over looked for the so called "better players" but they weren't better they were more workmanlike. You could even say more physical. The likes of Robson, Reid and Wilkins couldn't lace his boots as far as technical ability was concerned but he kept getting overlooked for that type of player.

So in my opinion in that era the England team should have been built around Hoddle but it wasn't because the manager's wanted a physical presence.

Argentina, Brazil and Spain have player's that are more technical than England player's and until we start to bring in the "flair" players we will continue to struggle.

That could well be a coaching problems the gifted kids may have it coached out of them in exchange for a more physical approach.

Look at Wenger's way for proof of that , his teams play football, and don't have a so called hard man in the team.

A footballer wins a cap because the current manager rates him, and as we know football is all about opinions.


But they finished higher in the league and won more trophies when they had hard men in the team, Petite & Viera for example

All good teams have hard men, even Brasil, just you don't notice them as much


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