To be fair, I did think you were in the Turner love-in camp too.

Come off it man! You stick up for Turner at every given opportunity. If you are in favour of getting rid of him then you have shown an amazing job of disguising it!!!

You're good at this kind of thing, chip. The above, and some other contributions to this thread, are very well selected pieces of info. I'm still not convinced though. Some things, like road protesters and Sussex07, don't wash. Take CT's second full season as an example. Jones and Freestone had gone. Humphreys, Widdrington, Watson, Smith, Clarke had yet to arrive. We did sign Tinkler that season but not until a third of the way through the campaign. Sure we had a few old pros on their way down, but who exactly? Gary Strodder, who was a creak away from retirement. Tony Lormor, an honest pro who would be honest enough to admit his best days had gone, a suspicion backed up by the fact that he scored more goals in his six appearances against us than he did in his 56(30+26) for us. Turner was frustrated that we'd let Howard go and is on record as saying we didn't have the resources to go out and get a fully-formed replacement. That's why we ended up with a fading Lormor and a potential work-in-progress that never happened in Sperrevik.

Paul Stephenson? Now there was a player. But he was a player most of us would happily have seen taken out and shot in 1999. Whatever Turner did, Stevo was one of the best players in the division within a year and was still a vital player in 2000/01.

What else? Well, Miller of course. A diamond of rare talent for a youth team graduate, but we were hardly alone in that respect. Two of the teams we were competing with had unearthed Bobby Zamora and Rob Earnshaw. And anyway, Miller was homegrown, not a chequebook signing. Other key players were a centre half from Andover Town in James Sharp; youngsters from the Boro and Mags (Barron and Arnison); Chris Westwood, a kid who CT had worked with at Wolves; Craig Midgley, who'd got barely a sniff at Bradford and had been kicking about at Scarborough and Darlo; Sam Shilton, Lee Fitzpatrick, Hendo, Knowlesy, Ian Clark? Come on chip, that season was hardly bankrolled to an excessive degree. We finished fourth, and it could have been third but for Chesterfield's antics.

Yes we took more of a financial gamble a year later, but only after releasing ten players and selling Miller in order to fund it.

I think Turner deserves a huge amount of credit for his first three years, whatever happened since.

You're good at this kind of thing, chip. The above, and some other contributions to this thread, are very well selected pieces of info. I'm still not convinced though. Some things, like road protesters and Sussex07, don't wash. Take CT's second full season as an example. Jones and Freestone had gone. Humphreys, Widdrington, Watson, Smith, Clarke had yet to arrive. We did sign Tinkler that season but not until a third of the way through the campaign. Sure we had a few old pros on their way down, but who exactly? Gary Strodder, who was a creak away from retirement. Tony Lormor, an honest pro who would be honest enough to admit his best days had gone, a suspicion backed up by the fact that he scored more goals in his six appearances against us than he did in his 56(30+26) for us. Turner was frustrated that we'd let Howard go and is on record as saying we didn't have the resources to go out and get a fully-formed replacement. That's why we ended up with a fading Lormor and a potential work-in-progress that never happened in Sperrevik.

Paul Stephenson? Now there was a player. But he was a player most of us would happily have seen taken out and shot in 1999. Whatever Turner did, Stevo was one of the best players in the division within a year and was still a vital player in 2000/01.

What else? Well, Miller of course. A diamond of rare talent for a youth team graduate, but we were hardly alone in that respect. Two of the teams we were competing with had unearthed Bobby Zamora and Rob Earnshaw. And anyway, Miller was homegrown, not a chequebook signing. Other key players were a centre half from Andover Town in James Sharp; youngsters from the Boro and Mags (Barron and Arnison); Chris Westwood, a kid who CT had worked with at Wolves; Craig Midgley, who'd got barely a sniff at Bradford and had been kicking about at Scarborough and Darlo; Sam Shilton, Lee Fitzpatrick, Hendo, Knowlesy, Ian Clark? Come on chip, that season was hardly bankrolled to an excessive degree. We finished fourth, and it could have been third but for Chesterfield's antics.

Yes we took more of a financial gamble a year later, but only after releasing ten players and selling Miller in order to fund it.

I think Turner deserves a huge amount of credit for his first three years, whatever happened since.

the only people saying give him yet more time are arguing the case using what he did nearly a decade ago as justification.

so come on then ripper, what did you see from last season that suggests we are making progress ?

i know for family reasons you cant get to as many away games as you used to but you can start with the walsall game you were at as its pretty typical of the away games i saw. tactically inept, and unable to make substitutions when the entire ground could see we were losing the midfield. what makes you think this bloke is suddenly gonna become a better manager ?

under absolutely no circumstances does Turner deserve one more minute to assemble anything.
Time's up - get out - tarra - fu-ck off Tubby
He's shite
He will always be shite
Why can people not see this>

Any one who says no to that question is an idiot, why would you want Pools to fail so you can be proved correct.

I would be happy if he turned it around and got us up the table BUT

a) Its very very unlikely and
b) Even if he got us into the top half of the table next season it would not mean that in the long run he will be a success. Many would not be at all surprised to see us stuggle the following season. I want a manager who you can have faith in (both short term and long term). Tubby isnt that manager. By trial and error he should have some successful spells but we need consistency

So you'd still want shot of him even if we were in the play off places because he might not sustain it?

Are you one of the idiots that Compo referred to then?

I wouldnt get rid if we were in the play-offs but I would prefer to have someone else in charge. Im not as fickle as many of the numpties on here who would suddenly worship the ground he stood on. In the long term I dont think he is the right man for the job. In a few years we are more likely to find ourselves non-league than in the Championship/League 1.

So......Neale Cooper is widely regarded as our best ever manager for getting us to the league 1 playoffs and people worship the ground he walks on......BUT if Turner matched that achievement (unlikely I know) anyone worshipping the ground he walked on would be a 'fickle' 'numpty'?

You just can't make this shit up

Just ask yourself an honest question.

Would CT still be manager if IOR/Hodcroft were not the owners No he would be long gone IMO.

I think that he should be given two years to build a team and then be judged on it.

'love the bum'

Isn't that Compo's Job?

Isn't that Compo's Job?

You were quite vocal in wanting Scotty sacking, Ripper. Should he have not been given two years instead of the six months he actually had?

Maybe, in hindsight, yes, as sacking him didn't keep us up did it.

Yes.

Usually in frustration in the immediate aftermath of some debacle or other.

BUT, in the cold light of day and with the opportunity to think about it, how many successful managers have immediate success and how many take a couple of years to build things before it all comes right?

Maybe, in hindsight, yes, as sacking him didn't keep us up did it.