Some good points ADG, but those players who were particularly poor yesterday, and I dont need to name names, were signed by Turner. So if they're not good enough for this league who's fault is that?

I've had a gut full of it to be perfectly honest.
In fact, I couldn't give a fuck what happens from here on in.
And I've never in my Pools supporting life of thirty plus years felt this way before. I am as sick as the proverbial 'lovely lovely person'.

haven't read all of your post but no doubt the rest of it will make sense - however, hartley's display is FAR from one of the most shocking displays - far from it - short memories of lots of bad games and bad players ( a lot worse than hartley) have passed you by here.

He's another home-grown young kid (playing out of natural position) getting lined up for a bullet after a bad game - how long before he becomes the new robson et al?

I agree with you there Katcha. I don't think Hartley played anywhere near as badly as some would have you believe.

I wasn't at the game but 1 bad game and everyone gets on his back its a bit harsh he played a blinder against Leeds.

He's had a lot more bad games than good games and looks a poor signing.
Mind he's not a left back but even I could pass the ball 10 yards to a team mate.
It's just not acceptable. Surely he wasn't this bad at Sunderland.
If he wasn't then who has turned him into the player he is:)

if I was a full back at the club and didnt get put into the team after that performance from Hartley I might as well be off to spennymoor.
oh and i think Behan was still half pissed from the night before, never seen a player on the pitch looking so bewildered.

Im being totally honest today but in the 22 years I have been supporting Pools I dont think Ive seen a poorer left back performance.I appreciate that he is a local lad so some of you will be influenced by this but yesterdays performance was easily on a par with Ian Clark at his worst. It was embarrassing. I honestly cant remember him passing to a pools player once. I would have happily seen him replaced by Humphries and again being honest, I wouldnt complain too much if Humphries played left back as I dont rate hartley. He looks like another poor signing by CT.

lets be honest. Which players have actually looked good? Austin and gamble. Flinders and behan looked good initially but whether by coincidence or poor coaching are suddenly looking iffy.

Turner has to take the majority of the blame IMO. He signed them. Temprament is one of things a manager should consider when signing players surely?? He has signed a number of players who dont look up to the challenge.

welcome to the board turner.

I think the point is that we know that this squad of players should not be in this position in the league table and should be up where Walsall or Brentford are.

It is the manager who picks the side, the tactics, sets each player up with a job to do in order to win their personal battle and motivates the team to play well. Turner did not do that yesterday and has not done it enough this season. His substitutions are not good too as evidenced yesterday.

A better manager would have that lot playing with much more purpose and confidence. I walked back to my car yesterday with a couple of Huddersfield supporters who said they couldn't believe we were in this positiona and where asking why has your boss not been sacked as most other teams with a record like ours would have done so and have done so this season. It's like the Pools under Moncur with 8 points after 22 games which finished the season on 55 points after a proper manager got them playing well. Knowles was the difference.

[/quote]Players fault? 1. Is it CT;s fault that Peter Hartley turned in comfortably his worst performance in a pools shirt? CT could never have predicted Hartley would ever play that badly. And he was fookin hopeless. He turned in one of the most embarrassing displays I can ever remember. And I dont think that that is an exaggeration.[/quote]

Playing player out of position, so Yes, he stated he had cover in all position at the start of the season and we were stronger for it

[/quote] CT didnt do that............probably because you lot hate Humphreys that much he wouldnt have dared. [/quote]

He didn't it because a few weeks ago he stated and this is almost a quote, Humphreys is not a left back and that after playing him there for a lot of his current tenure, so he didn't have a back up plan if it went wrong

[/quote] IS CT's fault that he picked two strikers that seem to do exactly the same role. But its the pairing that nearly all of us would have picked.[/quote]

As he picked the team yes it's his fault. He watched Huddersfield on Tuesday , he even said they had 2 big centre halves and if we played long balls to them then they would dominate. He could have used Larkin for a bit pace from kick off, at least he has some more than Boyd and Behan, and I'm sure he said he had thought about it.

[/quote] tell what CT is ultimately to blame for.The players are just not good enough. Thats the fact we all seem to be ignoring. We wouldnt be this low down the league if they were.[/quote]

So ultimately although your saying yesterday was the player's fault, your saying that those players aren't good enough so IT IS TURNER'S FAULT.

So your post could been a lot shorter and with different topic heading.

It should have been title

It's all Turner's fault because

The player's he signed aren't good enough.

Good point

all I know is...the club does not care one jot about the fans
They care about Chris Turner
So they can go and get fu-cked

I don't even miss going now

Why should that twat make me and many others feel like that? Who the f-uck does he think he is? Why does he think he can do this job? Why do they continue to allow him to?

Fu-cking sick of it

another problem with his lack of focus in signings is the squad is too big. as well as the wage bill that means a fair few players not getting in the side who would otherwise expect to be. that's never good for morale and it's likely to affect the whole squad.