.............that I can spend my money on better things !!

Im going to buy our lass some more clothes with my 'gate' money from now on. It would be more rewarding as I may at least get a blow out of it

We will have certainly lost a few more supporters after today.

I admire your honesty.

You can get 2 blows from a lady of the night for that money or 4 kebab monsters at 2 in the morning down church street, so im led to believe

A very dangerous position indeed. I don't say this out of personal pride or any nonsense like that but after well over half a million posts, the Bunker is the main forum for Pools fans to have a voice and the club would be well advised to take a balanced view of whats said on here. Agreed that there are some extremes but for the club to be dismissive is an unfortunate and arrogant position to take.

I can't help feeling that relations were so much better when the late Paul Mullen used the boards to give direct answers rather than the scripted and antiseptic press release we now get on the official site.

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I'd go for your good self, Mad John and Chip

Sorry you have lost me, because we played utter dog turd and people have said so, they would no longer take us seriously??

When you say "your good self" were you referring to me

To be honest I would not be in the slightest bit offended if the club didnt take us seriously.

This is a club who clearly take Chris Turner seriously so they are hardly a good judge of character

First of all, would you say that a "fans forum" is a possibility EAD ???? I'm presuming it's a hypothetical question, but let's say it's not for the time being

I actually mentioned something along the lines of a fans forum to a mate the other day in response to the club asking fans for their ideas, that once the ideas had been received by the club, a meeting was arranged with a number of fans and they were all discussed prior to any (if thought good) being put into practice by the club.

Now although I thought it was a good idea , the person I discussed it with disagreed. His point of view was how would the "fans" selected to discuss the ideas with club officials be selected. Now he's not a user of the bunker but does very occasionally hear what has been posted on here. His first reply was that any one who had posted criticism "allegedly" would almost certainly be ruled out by the club. (now they not my words), resulting in a "panel" of what he called "yes" men.

He pointed out that maybe someone from the supporter's association and HUDSA could be on it, but that might look once more like it being a "closed shop" with regards to which group of fans were invited on to it. Would the fans be from each section of the home end's of the ground. If not then how would they know what affects each area.

Now let's take the only viable suggestion made when I started this reply

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I could agree with that selection, but putting a devils advocate head on, the selection of yourself may not go down well in some quarter's on here,or with fans as a whole you already have a close working relationship with the club which some may feel creates a conflict of interest.

If it's a viable idea and it being looked into, then I believe something like 5 fans need to brought in.

One from each side of ground, one from HUDSA and one from the supporters association.

Now the one's from HUDSA and the supporters group can be selected easily enough from their respective associations. The problem you have is to try and get someone from all sides of the home end's who joins the forum but joins with a "neutral head", willing to listen to all other points of view including the clubs and simply not go to the meeting with pre conceived ideas, and only having his/her agenda on how things should be done.

If the club can do that, and the people who are "elected"/ "chosen" to be part of it then I believe it will help , so if it as I asked at the start a possibility I say go for it, and if it's 3 people off here the club wants then simply ask for nominations with someone proposing people and try to find a way of getting the 3 BEST people for the job. Though not an vote on here, open to being "fixed" as people go from computer to computer voting for whoever and 100's of new user names being created to do the same.

All well and good, but its a professional club run by very, very, well paid people. Why on earth would they need fans involvement. They are paid to do a job, if they cant do that job then they should be sacked, not helped out !!

But are you saying it's a viable possibility ??



I would have had someone like you in my top 3 , long standing fan, who is posting



Which to me and many other's out there that there's something wrong and those people within the club should be getting your views in a proper convened meeting and listening.

I've never missed a game through choice since I started going to pools about 16 years ago.

If I didn't have a season ticket I wouldn't be bothering turning up at the next home match. These sort of performances aren't worth £20 of anyones money.

We're tactically inept, directionless and spiritless - we're regularly seeing terrible performances from a squad which is capable of much more. Yet we have the manager saying things like 'tactics aren't really that important' and 'once they're on the pitch, there's nothing anyone can do'

The club's reluctance to change the management is something worth protesting about IMHO

I'd go for Chip seems to talk sense Parmo Lots of passion and also talks sense(Sometimes ) And The last one i'd go for is Bob or Lightning Tree, can't choose between them

Agreed and a large proportion are saying exactly the same thing. I certainly would be going had I not got a season ticket and Ive still missed a few games this season through choice despite this. The cost is obviously an issue but even if it was free to get into pools we wouldnt get a full house, shopping with the Mrs is more enjoyable than the shit we are serving up lately.

PJ would be one of my choices, probably chip too aaaaaaaaand Mad John

Parmo, Tree and ADG would be my choice.

Three different outlooks to represent the different views of Pools fans. The fact that they all view things (slightly) differently does not mean any of them are negative or wouldn't be a good contributor.

Having three supporters who share the same thoughts would be contrary to the rationale for doing it in the first place.

there's something else afoot - I couldn't get involved with anything like this because of my knowledge of these other "happenings." It would certainly be made clear to me from a legal standpoint as well. It has been alluded to back in August by me, but things have since gotten a lot nastier.
I would almost certainly get a life ban from Pools if I opened up about it on here.
Please no PM's about this cos I'm not going to say anything more about it. It will come out sooner or later anyway

I'm not sure how this would work. Would there would be huege discussions on here before and after in which case none of the questions or answers would be spontaneous or would it be confidential in which case - whats the point?

I cannot envisage it happening under IOR, they take internal matters and confidentiality of such things to an extreme. If it were to happen then I stick with my earlier position where the best method would be for people within the club to answer directly on the boards. I'm perfectly happy to set up a specific Q/A's forum on this board and for it to be moderators to avoid stupid and abusive questions.

Any meeting that was arranged with the club would have to have Hodcroft present. Appointing one of his "minions" would only send out the signal that he was paying lip service to it.
Also the club would not get involved in anything controversial, like discussing the future of any of their employees.
I really don't think a no holds barred, all cards on the table, lets grind out a viable solution situation would be any where near the agenda.
IOR have their own closely guarded reasons for their involvement with Pools and I don't think for one moment that sitting toe to toe with our fans is even on their agenda, never mind being a priority.
They have many aspects to their business and Hartlepool United is just one of them. A department if you like. I wonder if any other departmental managers get as much leeway as Turner.

There is no way on earth anything like this is going to happen.

Top level managers coming out and chatting to Joe public about the future of employees, goals and general motives for owning the club . It's a professional football club owned by an oil recovery company. It is my view that, although IOR have pretty much saved the club and turned us around totally, supporters opinion means absolutely nothing to them, maybe to Chris it does but that's as far as it goes imo.

Agree

A pointless exercise, a steam valve to vent frustrations and as I said some years ago, it's a cul de sac where 'opinions' are keenly listened to then quietly strangled.

Fair enough, i wont bump my gums cos i dont think it would serve any purpose anyway. And i couldnt care less if the club has a go back, fair play to them.

At waldo picking me

Did he mean you though? Or was it Lightning Tree he was thinking of?

Three Bunker representatives?

Dibble, Snowy and I.

Parmo has to be discounted due to the fact that he'd probably rip somebody's head off and Mr Mutley would be slurring his words and telling everybody that he loved them.

There is one very easy option solutions, all of us can see it just Uncle Ken cant.

The other option for Uncle Ken is to come out and state that Turner is THE MANAGER and will remain as THE MANAGER until the end of the season / the ground sale issue is resolved / we get relegated / he knobs his daughter / he gets caught snorting up on his desk / he keeps leaving training early to go to the pub or visit his family / any other reason he wants to state.

Silence from the owners and Turner trotting out bullshit won't help anybody at this point.