By some "policeman" they where supposed to be training. Thoughts go out to the Lads families...

RIP Lads...

Nuke the place....endof.

Soldiers dying and our taxes paying for a corrupt government long live Labour and President Blair.

the socialists will shoot you down Kev!!!!

Totally off topic i know but since someone mentioned our taxes, i read yesterday that people on benefits are to recieve a £20 per week increase in a bid to eradicate child poverty among the unemployed.

I know some people are out of work because of the recession, however there are loads of lazy chunts who dont want to work and they are getting a bigger pay rise than most of the working folk in the country get for sitting on their arses and knocking kids out years on end

boils my piss

Child benefit is now a disregarded income for Housing Benefit purposes from 02/11/09 so those with loads of kids are really raking it in. Tax credits will be next then the insentive will be there to have endless amounts of kids and let the tax payer pay for them.

this country is paying out 23.7 bn in housing benefits per year.
If women have kids and don't know/won't say who the father is, then they should live at their parents house, or at their mates' houses. Why the f-uck should they get a house because of that? She should pay for it or the father should if he's willing, and there has been an attempt to live together as a family.
If she's made no attempt to try and live together as a family, then she shouldn't get the house either. And make no mistake - it's always in the split arse's interest to cause the "break-up" to get their financial rewards in terms of CSA, housing benefit etc. If they took that away, see how much harder people work at staying together as a family.

Yes I vote Tory by the way

I see it appears the Taliban have infiltrated the Afghan Police force, this bloke who our lads thought was on our their side just started shooting them.

What a fooking terrifying position to be put in were you haven't got a fooking clue who you can trust and who you can't. These countries are never going to be democratic utopias, they are always going to be corrupt and extremely dangerous. I honestly don't know what we are expected to achieve out there. What are these lads actually dieing for? I mean in this apparent new 'democracy' one candidate could be raised for the presidency, and surprise, surprise it was the current incumbent.

In relation to single parents CSA , Child ben, housing ben etc I would say ,Its a womans world ! run by women ! for women!

I agree with you there but the problem is that a lot of "single monthers" only claim they are single because they'll get benefits because the fathers working.
Their excuse is "everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't i?"
The system needs to change so it's more beneficial to live as a family.

Sorry for this thread hijack by the way, is there any chance these posts can be moved to their own topic?!

Where I live, if you have a kid outside marriage, you'd better to be able to afford it. The bairn doesn't get any entitlement to school for starters, that means in later life, uneducated, it won't be able to support it's parents. The system here goes up, not down.

So lasses can't spawn kids for fun or money, because they get neither. We just pour cash down their throats and then set the CSA on the sperm donor.

A mother of a bomb disposal soldier said today on the news that the afgans we are training will not risk there lives to sort bombs out its madness.
Billions of tax payers money to keep that bent government in power.

Don't send troops into Taliban strongholds....just nuke them.

And kill innocent people?

Wait until blue eyed boy cameron gets in, he'll send even more troops in.
Love a war do the Tories.

Some of the replies to this thread are frankly embarrassing.

I fully concur.

Unfortunately age doesn't always bring wisdom.

I agree on most of that but without Iraq I'm not sure if we'd be any further forward in Afghanistan. It's just far too complex and harsh an environment, look at the losses the Russians suffered. I'm just not sure we should be training policemen and supervising elections and the like when we have insurgents all over the place. I think one massive push is needed to defeat the Taliban, get more troops out there. Other things need to be put on the back burner, incidents like today’s terrible news make me feel like that.

I cant imagine how their families must feel. It must be bad enough when any one dies but for them to die at the hands of such a coward who they were training must be unbearable. Sickening.

Like someone above said, just nuke all the fuckers. Get rid of their nutters and religious fanatics in one go and the world will be a much better place. Once the fallout clears, ship all the starving water deprived people from third world countries into them.

R.I.P

ive just had the sad loss of another close mate in afghanistan.

Rest in Peace Jimmy Hill.

Some great points made there Grave.....

Why all this pissin and moanin about "getting the lads out", it's Labour's "war" , send in Duke nuke em' and all the other bilge that's been written.

Young men and women (not fookin "lads") who join the armed forces today know exactly what's expected of them, and serve to the best of their ability, and occasionally beyond what is required. Stop spouting cliches and start supporting those who serve.

then theres all the new terrorist training camps forming, all the muslim extremists that would like to see the islamic flag above no. 10 downing and would like to see sharia law introduced... the problem with never go away.

there will always be power hungry arseholes and religious fanatics that try and ruin every county about.

And then there's cocks like you ...

This man speaks the truth.

Innocent people are being killed all the time. There has never been a war, and never will be, where innocent people didn't get caught up in it.
How many of their own, innocent countrymen have the Taliban killed?????
You can't fight terrorism using the laws of cricket.
You have to either give in to them or wipe them out.....simple as.
It is unfortunate that some innocent people will get killed but the general idea is to prevent even more innocent people from getting killed both in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
The methods currently being used have been used all over the globe and have yet to succeed.
Of course no one wants to see innocent people being killed.
Aye lets pull the troops out and let them do what they want. Some of you people would be dancing to a different tune if four or five plane loads of innocent people crashed into British cities.

You speak a lot of sense Mr Derwent.

I get the feeling that some of the people who've posted on this thread would've lobbied for Bomber Harris to be tried as a war criminal.

Can I make a point that might be a touch controversial?

The Taliban have never attacked outside their own borders unless attacked first. Many people confuse the Taliban and Al Queda, they are not the same thing. The Taliban is loosely an army of millions of Pastuns who as far as they are concerned are fighting yet another invader.

We might disagree with their politics, their policies and their way of life but who gave the west the right of veto?

The British and American forces have no business there and we will continue to suffer losses which will run to thousands until we leave with our tail between our legs. We cannot win.

I thought that the Taleban were happy to let Al Qaeda operate from within their borders when they had power in Afghanistan and that was the whole point of why we are there?

Personally I couldn't care less what they do in their own country IF it doesn't impact on us, e.g. if they were to guarantee not to harbour and help terrorists who want to attack us then we should leave them to it right now and pull out.

The point about Pakistan however is a little different due to their nuclear arsenal.

So are you saying that there are no Al Q terrorists in Afghanistan, or that the Taliban have never harboured or trained any Al Q terrorists??????
Has bin Laden never had any contact with the taliban????
I agree entirely with you when you say we can't win but I am willing to go a step further than that. We can't win using current methods.

They allowed AQ to operate within their borders sure, but then don't forget that OBL was a Mujahadeen fighter back in the eighties. That said Omar and OBL are not bosom buddies either. As for Pakistan; the Paki army is currently fighting a nasty war in Warizistan with AQ and the chances of them getting hold of nukes are minute. If it came to a situation where there was a real danger then we would have to act in self defence. At the moment however, AQ are an irritant who are getting weaker by the day.

No of course not. AQ had been operating in Afghanistan but they are not now and haven't been in any numbers since Tora Bora. I'm simply making the point that the Taliban were the legitimate government in Afghanistan and we (the west) have chosen to oust them and put in place a puppet administration which incidentally the Russians also did and they failed miserably.

Taliban literally means student. Students that is of Islam albeit an extreme form of it and yes, AQ members were trained in these camps. Don't confuses them however with the madrasses which were the terrorist training camps. The terrorism came with OBL who found himself in the country after he had been expelled from a few others such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Sudan.

Surely our fight is with Al Queda not the Taliban, the latter as far as they are concerned are just defending themselves. Al Queda are a diminishing force and whether thats down to Western forces or the death of OBL (allegedly) is arguable. We are now fighting for control of a country for no particular reason that I can see. A country that is the size of Europe and a people of 30 odd million who will never surrender.

As far as nuclear weapons are concerned; they would have little effect other than rearranging the rocks.

Thanks for that Mr I.
After OBL was made persona non grata in Sudan, he settled in Afghanistan as a guest of the Taliban where he set up training camps under the Al Q banner.
This was with the blessing of the Taliban.
If the Taliban are non aggressive outside their own territory why did they allow an organisation to flourish and grow whose single intention is a global Jihad, determined to be aggressive towards Jews, Christians and the West in general??????
As far as am concerned they are all islamic fundamentalists who have no intention of living in peace with the west.
If you harbour a criminal then surely you are a criminal, no matter whether you cross your border or not.

We are fighting against a regime that doesn't pose a threat to us in the UK, Al Qaeda are the bad guys; the Taliban are a brutal regime yes, but not a threat to us. But if I'm wrong then we are fighting on behalf of the whole of our European allies who cannot muster enough concern to send their military to fight as we and the Americans/Dutch/Danes/Estonians are.

Pull out, put the barriers up and if any rag heads here get uppity show them the way home (with/without a parachute).

Ah...our European "allies".................... When it suits them.

Interesting conversation though.

I didn't suggest anything about USSF. Of course the yanks will be there but not in any number and I'm not so sure its going to be their special forces either. For info; US special forces are more of a ranger battalion or a spearhead unit like Royal Marines or the Parachute Regiment. Their Delta force is more like the SBS/SAS.

Either way we should protect our own borders from within. Theres nothing in Afghanistan for us. Here be dragons.