One of the funny things I find with music is the number of people who specialise in their taste in music discriminate even against that which falls outside their taste grouping. I must admit to being like that at one time, but now I'm receptive to a much wider range of music and no longer pretend some obsessive on a 45 minute drum intro is actually entertaining. Are you still a music elitist or do you like something purely on the basis that you actually enjoyed it, no matter what everyone else says...?

doesnt that contradict itself

let me know when you are doing the lizzy stuff will pop along.
we are not doing the schooner this nye though

Queen are shite.

FACT!

I think I am a bit, but am quite open minded all the same in that I'll give anything a go but if I dont like it - I dont like it!!

I was having a conversation about folk last night and hearing me say the words surprised me somewhat at how intolerant I am of folk I dont like, I'm quite a strict traditionalist especially unaccompanied singing because that to me is folk in its purest form.

I dont like jazz and refuse to listen to it.
I'm really not keen on ska, and have given it many go's but I just dont get what the fuss is all about...I just laugh at all these old bald fellas jogging on the spot to the ska bands in the Vic, Saltburn.

And I'm not fond of blues really, I like the authentic stuff but hate peddlars of blues that play in pubs and i hate the likes of Eric Clapton, Stevie Vai[?] etc Robert Johnson......does my head in, what have these millionaires got to feel blue about?!


So, yeah, I think I may be a bit elitist....

Music is like food, you try it, but don't expect to like everything ...

agree about flash and crazy which is the worst ever queen track
think their early stuff beats the later stuff hands down but doesnt that apply to most bands who the more well known they become the worse they become

one of the best concerts i went to and this takes some admitting was david essex although it was during my days as a youth leader and had to transport a group of teenage girls and essex was brilliant.
mind another excellent gig courtesy of tunstall youthy was judas priest at the city hall

I like most kinds of music. The only stuff I truly despise is stuff like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Leona Lewis and other stuff that masquerades as R&B. It's hardly rhythm and blues is it?

my ipod currently has on it...
Alison Moyet
Aphex Twin
The Bar-Kays
The Beach Boys
Booker T & The MGs
Boz Scaggs
Bruce Springsteen
BT
The Carpenters
Chas 'n' Dave
The Clash
Clem Snide
Curtis Mayfield
Cypress Hill
De La Soul
Dean Martin
Dinosaur Jr
DJ Shadow
Eliza Carthy
Elliott Smith
Erasure
Eric B & Rakim
Faith No More
Go-Kart Mozart
Gomez
Hue and Cry
I am Kloot
The Isley Brothers
JTQ
Jimmy Nail
The Modern Lovers
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk

I could go on. It's a right old mucky mixture. I like a lot of stuff that most people on here will have never heard of but I bet if you told me generally what sort of music you like, I could make you a compilation of stuff of that style that you would never have heard of and would enjoy it too.

One of the reasons I like to come on here is to see what people have been listening to. Some of it I don't care for but some of it is ace. I've got into bands on the strength of some of the posts on here.

I'm not elitest, i just have the best musical taste around and anything i dont like is because it's pap.

I see you included Chas n Dave, ..... but I love.... Aint No Pleasing You... fuuny old world innit.

I can listen and appreciate most things i guess although i hate repeat HATE

Country and Western (yip yip kayote style)

oh and Meatlof............bat out of hell album was good in its day but i cant stand it now, and everything else he did is cac imo

and mariah carey

mmmm when i think of it i lke a lot but hate a lot

Patchy and poor music education leads to all sorts of prejudices and, music education is elite and unfair. If children are given a rounded experience and they are equipped with the skills to be actively involved in music they would be more open minded and receptive. However I think it is normal to become fixed on certain styles/groups in our teens as the hormones, angst and peer pressure all influence us. Thankfully most of us grow out of this and hopefully enjoy a lifelong love of music and develop a healthy curiosity to listen to many types of music. I pity people who have lost curiosity.

Well said, luckyseven.

This is a topic very close to my heart. I have a bit of a music education mission to squash the elitism so that all children can understand and make music, regardless of age, ability or wealth. Currently, music lessons go around the periphery of the subject instead of getting to the nitty gritty. My work gets to the nitty gritty; but it gets me in trouble sometimes mind!

don't know how much I agree with that. I never studied music at school other than the waste of time music lessons which was basically a class full of children messing about with keyboards and playing chopsticks.

I've since taught myself to play the guitar, ukulele, piano and can get a tune out of a harmonica, tin whistle and stylophone. I have a passion for it. I think that's what is required.

don't know how much I agree with that. I never studied music at school other than the waste of time music lessons which was basically a class full of children messing about with keyboards and playing chopsticks.

I've since taught myself to play the guitar, ukulele, piano and can get a tune out of a harmonica, tin whistle and stylophone. I have a passion for it. I think that's what is required.[/quote]

You are right Jish, many music lessons in schools are not effective and there is SO much more to do than messing around with keyboards and playing chopsticks. I'm pleased you now play and enjoy music, sadly a lot of people are put off by their experiences at school - music at school SHOULD be inspiring so that passion is ignited.

County Durham Music Service is top notch...for those who
are keen and willing to learn!

Ahh yes but chip, in some peoples opinion that could read..i have a load of shit records, ive seen a load of shit bands, and ive read a load of shit books......................its all about opinions innit

You are right Jish, many music lessons in schools are not effective and there is SO much more to do than messing around with keyboards and playing chopsticks. I'm pleased you now play and enjoy music, sadly a lot of people are put off by their experiences at school - music at school SHOULD be inspiring so that passion is ignited.[/quote]

She, if it is a she, want's offing...

I don't know whether I'm an elitist or not. There are so many different ways for music to be good, and I suppose I do kind of look down on people who just like very easy jiggy type music.
Though of course, I don't really look down on them.

I agree with Salty that a lot of folk is boring but I love it when when it's done well (and when singers don't feel compelled to tell mind-numbingly long spiels about what the song's going to be about and where they were when they learned it. )

You don't have to explain, you either like it or you don't, there's no reason to it.

Pretentious, moi?

Music 'education' is tedious to most kids ....you either like what you hear or you don't, to have someone 'educating' you about it is bollox.

But dont you see chip (im not angling for an argument here! but im rather enjoying the debate) liking the music you like doesnt make you elitist does it? it just means you like that music and dont like other music, everybody in the world is like that! that means were all elitist..........you nailed it when you said i like what i like !! its not elitism. i think you come charging in with your dont give a fook what anyone thinks in a kind of unnecassary (can i fook spell that word!)defensive manner.
Im not into the indie and less known stuff like i used to be i confess, im somewhat still stuck a few years back, but thats what i enjoy, i do however hear a snippet of greenday, or Artic monkeys or smething and think, "that sounds good" then ill buy (ahem) or down load the album to find that it carries no substance for me anyway.
In my defence i thank my kids for bringing the newer bands to my attention, (unlike my dad who thought everything i played was shite) how could he not like Catfish by Rory Gallager

As for Music lessons at school i got a lot from it i believe, but i had very good teachers, i also believe.

ere Snowy, ive just realised, are you enjoying yourself, shotting the odd one liner in.

my music education came from my older brother who had bought Louder Than Bombs by The Smiths, stopped me from leaving the room and making me listen to the entire thing. I liked lots of music before this but this started the ball rolling in respect to getting into music. It was also immediately prior to Madchester which I am unbelievably lucky to have been into that sort of stuff at that exciting and massively musically relevent time.

I also remember being round my mate Michaels house and going through his dad's (Gerry Smith, for EADs purpose) and checking out his collection. I particularly remember listening to Dare by the Human League and Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart. They were exciting times.

Michael had a Holiday Patrons sticker on his door you know

I'd fit myself into the same bracket as Chip. Funnily enough, I met him through a shared taste in music and the same goes for Jish. Not as bad as I used to be (I see the occasional gig now and again rather than 3 or 4 times a week like I used to do) but my mates think I'm a dick about music and I don't really care. In some ways, I get more stick from people because I don't like the usual Oasis/Kasabian/Coldplay shite than I give out so it's all relative.

Yup.

I think what makes someone a 'musical elitist', is not a wide taste in music, lots of it obscure. But a failure to appreciate and accept that people like different stuff to yourself, and just because you dont like it that makes it bad, musical snobbery winds me up

I too met Chip through music. I did an article for MB, a long time ago when the great Paul Mullen was editing it. It was my top 30 of the time - Chip wrote back saying that he had seen nearly all of the acts. I didn't know at the time he had been in one of my favourite bands.
There are several genres I'd go out of my way to seek out, however I'll listen to (and play) anything really. I must admit that there are many obscure bands I like, don't know if that's elitism, the bands haven't got a high profile publicity machine, they are not mainstream or they are are not very good (however I like them).
A few days a week I teach people with a learning disability music - some of the sounds they produce (using synths / guitar & percussion) are truly great.

There's a lot of talking on here about what everyone should be doing.

All this talk of Music and no mention of the greats yet, and by those I mean

Mozart
Elgar
Purcell
Handel
Haydn
Beethoven
Bach
Dvorak
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan Williams


Now your talking !!!

it's a way of doing keep fit without losing face in front of your mates, and without having to go to aerobics and stuff

I've got Church of Hawkwind on the car cd player at the moment - really you need to be head- fu-cked to listen to it and fully appreciate it!!
Space Cannibal......they should play that to the astronauts and see if it makes them paranoid!!!!

Now you're talking. I've got some early live Hawkwind stuff recorded in some field or another - mostly versions of 'You shouldn't do that', one going on for 20 minutes - you can almost touch the LSD and see Stacia dance.

Wouldn't it be Black Sabbath that would make them paran.......