Whats the excuse tonight then?

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:24 pm

Obviously we wont have got beat off a side sat two places above darlo on account of us not being good enough or having a useless manager.

Was it just bad luck yet again? Or maybe it was too dark for our players. Was the wind too strong? Or maybe our fans were not noisy enough?

Ok, so it was a meaningless game to many but surely some alarm bells must be ringing. We supposedly have a great squad with great strength in depth but team selections and recent results suggest otherwise.

jish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:27 pm

We would not have scored if we had played all night long. Nothing went for us tonight. They had 2 shots and scored twice.

That said, we should have pummled them. They were not a threat at all.

I'm proper frustrated but it's not the end of the world. taz

For what its worth, I don't think calling for the managers head in what was a glorified reserve game is the way forward. Just my opinion like!

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:28 pm

jish wrote:

For what its worth, I don't think calling for the managers head in what was a glorified reserve game is the way forward. Just my opinion like!

Were people at the game calling for the managers head?

jish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:30 pm

There was a group in the Town End who were, yes. I cold clearly hear them from my seat near the players tunnel.

Kolley Kibber · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:33 pm

I also think it's premature to call for Turner's head just yet. That was woeful but I've seen and heard enough this season to suggest that, as a short-term solution, Turner will do an adequate enough job. I don't think he's the man to really make us progress however.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

To quote that port vale manager adams, we we're all furr coat and no nickers.

I know i haven't been much recently, but are the players not allowed to shoot anymore?

It's all nice approach play, lovely flicks, which is all well and good, but the end product was not there at all.

Humphreys played some lovely football, and was one of our most creative players, but there was no bite upfront.

McSweeny could play till it was midnight and he wouldnt do anything of note.

Collins and liddle we're solid and the full backs got into the game.

Newell doesnt have hair anymore he just wears a helmet.

jish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:38 pm

Yubep wrote:

To quote that port vale manager adams, we we're all furr coat and no nickers.

I know i haven't been much recently, but are the players not allowed to shoot anymore?

It's all nice approach play, lovely flicks, which is all well and good, but the end product was not there at all.

Humphreys played some lovely football, and was one of our most creative players, but there was no bite upfront.

McSweeny could play till it was midnight and he wouldnt do anything of note.

Collins and liddle we're solid and the full backs got into the game.

Newell doesnt have hair anymore he just wears a helmet.

Couldn't agree more. The conditions made it perfect to have a few low shots that whould skid off the turf. Instead, we try to walk it in.

I also noticed that we were keeping hold of the ball in midfield in the first half which did nothing whatsoever to put pressure on their defence. What exactly is the point of this?

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

We have absolutely nothing to worry about. We should have beat Stockport but were desperately unlucky, we should have beat Exeter but were desperately unlucky. After all we had well over ten chances at Exeter. I don't know how many chances we had tonight because, having spent a small fortune going to Stockport and Exeter, I couldn't be bothered. Listening to Poolsplayer, all I could hear was Micky Barron saying that nothing would fall for us. Is that what we have come to expect????? Are we
looking for scraps from a team who struggled to beat the likes of Darlington?? These half time/ full time discussions that we appear to be having smells of management by consent to me.
Never mind I will be back on Friday as usual where we will marmalize Brentford.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:03 pm

chip fireball wrote:

if only the board was made up of people who use marmalize in their posts, or eloquent people with worthy opinions like derwent, kolley, waldo etc, who didn't get shouted down by dull old arseholes who actually know very little.

talking of dull, old ,arseholes, where are the thought police tonight ?

perhaps they have fooked off, and we might finally be allowed a sensible debate on the merits of a manager who has won 40 odd of his last 180 odd games in charge and who seems to keep his job by winning one game in every four ?

Welcome back Mr Chip, although im disappointed you didnt include me in the list of names in your first paragraph.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

Thanks for that, Mr fireball. I love debating football, as do you, but namecalling and the like simply to hide an inability to debate a point really turns me cold.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Grave wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

if only the board was made up of people who use marmalize in their posts, or eloquent people with worthy opinions like derwent, kolley, waldo etc, who didn't get shouted down by dull old arseholes who actually know very little.

talking of dull, old ,arseholes, where are the thought police tonight ?

perhaps they have fooked off, and we might finally be allowed a sensible debate on the merits of a manager who has won 40 odd of his last 180 odd games in charge and who seems to keep his job by winning one game in every four ?

Welcome back Mr Chip, although im disappointed you didnt include me in the list of names in your first paragraph.

Yes welcome back chip, but equally, where is my name?

Walking out from the ground one fan said, when my daughter said we should have just went to asda tonight, he said i wish i just went to asda, i dunno how someone with such a bad home record is still in a job.

Sums it up.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Grave wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

if only the board was made up of people who use marmalize in their posts, or eloquent people with worthy opinions like derwent, kolley, waldo etc, who didn't get shouted down by dull old arseholes who actually know very little.

talking of dull, old ,arseholes, where are the thought police tonight ?

perhaps they have fooked off, and we might finally be allowed a sensible debate on the merits of a manager who has won 40 odd of his last 180 odd games in charge and who seems to keep his job by winning one game in every four ?

Welcome back Mr Chip, although im disappointed you didnt include me in the list of names in your first paragraph.

Maybe he was including you in his second paragraph? :laugh:

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

At least for once we will all agree on pools tonight. We were awful banghead

Hangem · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:37 pm

They can be no excuse tonight we must have had 80% of possesion but did nothing with it. We were poor end off, there is no way we should be getting beat of a team in the bottom three of Division 4, It never even entered my head we would get beat tonight!!!!!!!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

The best poster comes back and straight away talks more sense than half the rest on here put together. You gotta stay though Chipster.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

The best post on here in weeks by chipster.

But hey... dibble will be on in the morning telling us that results dont matter.

Possibly the stupidest thing anyone in the world has ever said.

thereverand · **Joined:** Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:47 pm **Posts:** 99

Well I was aghast at how bad tonights game was refred

2 god awful sides kicking a ball about for 90 minutes. Grimsby were hopeless, of that they're is no doubt. And yet Pools team, most of which would like to consider themselves first teamers, and all of whom have been involved recently in the first 16, were absolutely dreadful refred

2 moments of quality in the game, their 1st was a cracking free kick, boyd contributed the only other moment in the game when cracking the bar from long range, via the keepers glove! All donkey jacket and no y fronts would be more apt than some of the pevious analogies used in this thread.
I've read on here recently that this season we have our strongest squad ever rolfl

holy s h i t tonight our 'strong' squad couldnt beat one of the worst teams ive seen here in all the time ive been going to the vic, we never came close to scoring, although Rowell should have in the first half but hit the tamest shot ever, and Mcsweeney should have scored 2nd half... refred

Can I claim for my tenner back bbolt

Im thoroughly down hearted about tonight, and before someone pipes up with how rosey things are and this wasn't a proper game, it was a competitive game and yet we rolled over to a horrendous side and only a win on friday will make our league position look anything but poor come sat afternoon, we are 2 points above were we dont want to be come the end of the season, not much at all, but it seems these 2 points that 'have us comfortably in mid table' are enough to lead people to believe everythings rosey, im sad to say that I dont
see it.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:54 pm

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

The best poster comes back and straight away talks more sense than half the rest on here put together. You gotta stay though Chipster.

I CONCUR!!!!

STAY FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER MR.CHIP!!!!

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:59 pm

BTW....talking to Mr.Gloves after the game....he isn't 'Top Of The Pops' about tonights game either!!!! confised

Things MUST be looking bad!!!! confised

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:16 am

Yubep wrote:

To quote that port vale manager adams, we we're all furr coat and no nickers.

I know i haven't been much recently, but are the players not allowed to shoot anymore?

It's all nice approach play, lovely flicks, which is all well and good, but the end product was not there at all.

Humphreys played some lovely football, and was one of our most creative players, but there was no bite upfront.

McSweeny could play till it was midnight and he wouldnt do anything of note.

Collins and liddle we're solid and the full backs got into the game.

Newell doesnt have hair anymore he just wears a helmet.

Quote:

To quote that port vale manager adams, we we're all furr coat an

Micky Adams, what the fook has he to do with this?

I'll tell you what, Micky Adams has a big fat bounder of a head, is a 'lovely lovely person' and couldn't manage to fit his arse on on a toilet seat, let alone manage a football team

IOR have sent a clear message out year on year regarding the Autoglass, they couldn't care less, which is fair enough because it is their train set and they bankroll us to the tune of a million pound a year

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:33 am

But Mr.Turner said before tonight's game that Pools....Us....We....are going to take this game very seriously!!!!

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10326~1819017,00.html

confised

Poolie_k · **Joined:** Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:37 pm **Posts:** 414

Doesnt he have to say that though as we will get fined again if not.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:44 am

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

The best poster comes back and straight away talks more sense than half the rest on here put together. You gotta stay though Chipster.

Half of the rest, is that more then the most?

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:48 am

No....6/8's!!!! :coool:

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:13 am

I've got a genuine question me. If this much vaunted defence is any good, i.e. Liddle and Collins solid, Flinders a good keeper, Austin the best fulll back in the lower leagues and Haslam, a former Championship regular, how come we've shipped 18 goals in 14 games, 7 in the last 3??

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Spender wrote:

I've got a genuine question me. If this much vaunted defence is any good, i.e. Liddle and Collins solid, Flinders a good keeper, Austin the best fulll back in the lower leagues and Haslam, a former Championship regular, how come we've shipped 18 goals in 14 games, 7 in the last 3??

Il get stick but thought Flinders was poor last night. Should have saved first and went down far too early for second imo.

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

Flinders is no-where near as good as some people on here think he is.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

The frustrating thing about Humphreys last night was the number of times he had the ball 25 yards from goal and played it into feet into a very crowded penalty area. He didn't do too bad generally but I'd love to see a centre midfield of Jones and Rowell given a go but I doubt we ever will.

HUFC Poolie · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:28 am

jesus christ.. Flinders now the scape goat?? banghead

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

For the love of God. People are making well constructed (and fair) criticsms of a players performance and then someone has to come on and say he is being made a scapegoat. Most players have been criticised at some point since last nights mate and rightly so, it's not a problem; it's our right as a fan.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:54 am

HUFC Poolie wrote:

jesus christ.. Flinders now the scape goat?? banghead

Nobody on here is making him the scapegoat banghead

People are merely saying that they were all rubbish Flinders included. Flinders has probably been the least criticised squad member this season so I dont find it unreasonable for him to get some criticism too, do you?

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

One of Wilson's teams would have made a better fist of getting back in the game last night. Fact!

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:59 am

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

One of Wilson's teams would have made a better fist of getting back in the game last night. Fact!

Prove it.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:21 am

ADG wrote:

Right...............errrrrr...................a lot to read there, and some comments aimed in my direction.

Lets get the facts out of the way first shall we?

Last night was shite. I suspect a lot of you that have posted on this thread werent actually there though.

But it was shite. With a capital S.

But clearly this game wasnt as important to the manager, players and club as it was to us.

The manager wouldnt have made 5 changes if it was. Surely?

We DO have strength in depth and we do have a good squad. But not when they are nearly all given a run out together.

For example, Bjornnson, who was awful, may well have been better alongside Boyd, rather than the ineffective, and at times, downright lazy larkin.

Turner should have changed things before half time, as it was clear to anyone there that the front two were bobbins. The fact that he left things for 18 minutes in the second half at 0-2, was criminal.

The difference in class between Larkin and Bjornnson, and Boyd and Behan, was huge. But there again, those that have seen him play the most suggest that Larkin is better out wide than down the middle.

McSweeney was awful too. Nowhere near as good as Brown, or even Larkin? maybe.

I bet the Sweeney knockers are quiet tonight as well. Rowell did ok, but just didnt influence the game enough. Humphreys didnt realy help, by almost refusing to drive the team forward. This was like a practice match to him. He should have done more.

What a waste Austin is at left back. He still played well, but should be right back. Haslam is just not good enough.

Collins and Liddle need to shape up too. Another through ball straight down the middle caught them out last night.

The return of Brown, Boyd, Behan, Sweeney and Hartley will improve the team no end.

No need to panic ladies. Or start your yearly witch hunt just yet.

And Yubep, if you are going to use my name to make comments, at least try and show some intelligence to get the comments right. I hate having to correct people on here that incorrectly quote me all the time.

Theres a good lad.

That sounds like a decent honest assessment

HUFC Poolie · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:25 am

I will say something, I don't see IOR sticking around much longer the way things are going and the general apathy towards the club from us the supporters and the fact the gates are dropping and dropping, yes you can blame Turner but apart from our promotion the atmosphere has been awful every season back in League 1. If people aint winging they aint happy

We were absolute tripe during Wilson's last days with us too..

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

Mr Ripper wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

One of Wilson's teams would have made a better fist of getting back in the game last night. Fact!

Prove it.

What about the same competition a couple of seasons back??? We went 1-0 down early doors at Lincoln...ended up scoring five.
1-0 down at Scunthorpe in the Carling Cup ( that's championship Scunthorpe), went down to ten men and then finished up winning.
2-0 down at Walsall, won 3-2. FA cup comeback at Brighton. There is an example in all four of the competitions we were in under Wilson where we have fought back.
I am not a great fan of Wilson, nor would I have him back, but when you consider what he had at his disposal compared with the backing Turner has had, he is streets ahead of Turner.
Compare their records in this league. People go on about Turner's first stint at Pools. That was in the bottom tier. Wilson took exactly one season to get us out of the bottom tier.
Wherever you care to look the evidence is there.
Wilson went to Swindon, changed the squad, and hey presto they are gelling.
An opening of the eyes is required here.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:42 am

derwent wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

One of Wilson's teams would have made a better fist of getting back in the game last night. Fact!

Prove it.

What about the same competition a couple of seasons back??? We went 1-0 down early doors at Lincoln...ended up scoring five.
1-0 down at Scunthorpe in the Carling Cup ( that's championship Scunthorpe), went down to ten men and then finished up winning.
2-0 down at Walsall, won 3-2. FA cup comeback at Brighton. There is an example in all four of the competitions we were in under Wilson where we have fought back.
I am not a great fan of Wilson, nor would I have him back, but when you consider what he had at his disposal compared with the backing Turner has had, he is streets ahead of Turner.
Compare their records in this league. People go on about Turner's first stint at Pools. That was in the bottom tier. Wilson took exactly one season to get us out of the bottom tier.
Wherever you care to look the evidence is there.
Wilson went to Swindon, changed the squad, and hey presto they are gelling.
An opening of the eyes is required here.

But that doesn't PROVE as FACT that it would've happened last night. :wink:

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

No it doesn't prove anything, but I think you get the gist of it. :wink:

Now where did I put that book on rarfery.

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:04 pm

HUFC Poolie wrote:

I will say something, I don't see IOR sticking around much longer the way things are going and the general apathy towards the club from us the supporters and the fact the gates are dropping and dropping, yes you can blame Turner but apart from our promotion the atmosphere has been awful every season back in League 1. If people aint winging they aint happy

We were absolute tripe during Wilson's last days with us too..

Maybe if Danny boy had the backing and the ear of uncle ken things might have been different under CT 11 new signings ans in the same position as when Danny boy went.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

HUFC Poolie wrote:

jesus christ.. Flinders now the scape goat?? banghead

Jesus christ your an idiot.

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

HUFC Poolie wrote:

jesus christ.. Flinders now the scape goat?? banghead

Jesus christ your an idiot.

He must be anyone with any sense knows we only have escapegoats on here!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Whats jesus done?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:46 pm

Yubep wrote:

Whats jesus done?

Dunno, but apparently he's an idiot.

I can't concur with that meself like.

Whats the excuse tonight then?

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