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an answer to my question to Chris on the official site. Well done Mr Turner for that and I certainly look forward to the first forum of next season. It does seem that a certain Mr Wilson wouldn't entertain such things but now we have a person there who understands the value of the fans. Well done.


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an answer to my question to Chris on the official site. Well done Mr Turner for that and I certainly look forward to the first forum of next season. It does seem that a certain Mr Wilson wouldn't entertain such things but now we have a person there who understands the value of the fans. Well done.


I really really really hope there isn't an Ask Chris Turner forum on the official website next season.

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The guy gets worse.

He admits to not using Jonny Rowell because of two individual mistakes made at Scunthorpe yet doesn't mention the MOTM performances he made in his other games. The team is riddled with players who have made individual errors consistently but he has done nothing to those players other than ensure they play 90 minutes every week.

'To put a young player in while they are still learning the game when the experienced players are even finding it difficult to pick up points is hard on the young player.'

If the experienced players are playing sh*t and the younger players aren't......PLAY THE FCKING YOUNGER ONES.

In his next breath he talks about bringing Joe Skarz in. Isn't that a total contradiction of everything he has said earlier?

I've said previously that I admire him for answering the questions but I'm staggered at the amount of cr*p that comes from his mouth.

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He comes across as a very poor politician.

He is a walking contradiction.

He claims he has seen every game this season, yet only now says Humphreys is suffering at left back.

He drops Rowell, for errors, yet kept picking ALB. He dropped Budtz, and he didnt make any mistakes.

He is Director of sport, and his been for 2 years? Yet says no young let back is coming through the ranks. Shouldnt he have been sorting that stuff out?

We used to see him in that Liggers bars at the club after the match. He always looked like he had spent too much time in the corporate boxes, if you know what I mean. :wink:

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The guy gets worse.

He admits to not using Jonny Rowell because of two individual mistakes made at Scunthorpe yet doesn't mention the MOTM performances he made in his other games. The team is riddled with players who have made individual errors consistently but he has done nothing to those players other than ensure they play 90 minutes every week.

'To put a young player in while they are still learning the game when the experienced players are even finding it difficult to pick up points is hard on the young player.'

If the experienced players are playing sh*t and the younger players aren't......PLAY THE FCKING YOUNGER ONES.

In his next breath he talks about bringing Joe Skarz in. Isn't that a total contradiction of everything he has said earlier?

I've said previously that I admire him for answering the questions but I'm staggered at the amount of cr*p that comes from his mouth.
skarz has played nearly 60 pro games so its hardly a contradiction. Besides we have no choice to play him as we dont have a single left back in the squad. Whereas we have several centre midfielders in the squad. Rowell will get his chance next season. I think in this particular case that turner has a valid point

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an answer to my question to Chris on the official site. Well done Mr Turner for that and I certainly look forward to the first forum of next season. It does seem that a certain Mr Wilson wouldn't entertain such things but now we have a person there who understands the value of the fans. Well done.
I,m with TPP on this i hope he is not here also.

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Well done Mr Turner for that and I certainly look forward to the first forum of next season.


Please god no!!!!!

If he is in charge then I really dont think i will be able to bring myself to get a season ticket.

Im hoping that there will be an "ask Jose" forum :laugh:

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Well done Mr Turner for that and I certainly look forward to the first forum of next season.


Please god no!!!!!

If he is in charge then I really dont think i will be able to bring myself to get a season ticket.

Im hoping that there will be an "ask Jose" forum :laugh:


Harsh.

What if we stayed up, Turner was still here and we signed 6 or 8 proper quality third division players in the positions that we need them over the summer?

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Mr Ripper wrote:
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appleyapper wrote:
Well done Mr Turner for that and I certainly look forward to the first forum of next season.


Please god no!!!!!

If he is in charge then I really dont think i will be able to bring myself to get a season ticket.

Im hoping that there will be an "ask Jose" forum :laugh:


Harsh.

What if we stayed up, Turner was still here and we signed 6 or 8 proper quality third division players in the positions that we need them over the summer?


They would all be forwards knowing him so we'd still be fcked.

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If they were in the positions where we needed them how would they all be forwards? sctatchinghead

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If they were in the positions where we needed them how would they all be forwards? sctatchinghead


Turner + buying players in the positions we need them doesn't commute!

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If they were in the positions where we needed them how would they all be forwards? sctatchinghead


Turner + buying players in the positions we need them doesn't commute!


So he got lucky when he put together our promotion side? sctatchinghead

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Mr Ripper wrote:
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If they were in the positions where we needed them how would they all be forwards? sctatchinghead


Turner + buying players in the positions we need them doesn't commute!


So he got lucky when he put together our promotion side? sctatchinghead


No, he did well and I liked him. He was aided by a high playing budget however which you can't argue.

Since that season though, when it hasn't been put on a plate for him he has struggled. Really struggled.

We weren't in that dire a situtation when he took over in December, the foundations of a good team were there. However, he decided to neglect our weakspots and overload in an area where we were already performing reasonably well.

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Have you considered that Turner's relation with IOR might make it easier for him to go shopping than it would a different manager?

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No, he did well and I liked him. He was aided by a high playing budget however which you can't argue.



So if he were to be given a similar budget to do what I suggested earlier?

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Mr Ripper wrote:
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No, he did well and I liked him. He was aided by a high playing budget however which you can't argue.



So if he were to be given a similar budget to do what I suggested earlier?


Thought IOR keep saying how skint they are?

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Mr Ripper wrote:

Harsh.

What if we stayed up, Turner was still here and we signed 6 or 8 proper quality third division players in the positions that we need them over the summer?


I dont think it is harsh in the slightest. I think he is completely incompetent as a manager. He 'talks' a good game in radio interviews etc but he a terrible manager, poorer than Wilson but has the 'gift of the gab'.

Even if he did somehow manage to get a good squad together right now I would still expect us to underachieve under him. He is a loser and it just infects the team. As a PR man he maybe would be 'ok' but a manager he aint.

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some of these comments are well harsh. He has been dumped with a load of shit players and given a decent preseason and a chance to sign the players he wants then we would have a much better season than this. However, if we had the choice i would personally go for some new blood...

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some of these comments are well harsh. He has been dumped with a load of shiit players and given a decent preseason and a chance to sign the players he wants then we would have a much better season than this. However, if we had the choice i would personally go for some new blood...


I agree.

He's tried to sign (on loan or permently)
Ben Parker who is a left back but can play centre back.
Peter Sweeney who is a right winger/central midfield (according to Leeds' manager Simon Grayson)
Manchester City left back

So based on the fact that he's tried to sign players in other positions I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Next season will be the proof of the pudding and I have a feeling he will be in charge.


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Next season will be the proof of the pudding and I have a feeling he will be in charge.


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Fair play to Turner for answering the questions from us fans, Its a very likeable thing to do.

Chris Turner obviously loves the club, the local area and everything that comes with it. The passions their its just the ability that isnt.


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some of these comments are well harsh. He has been dumped with a load of shiit players and given a decent preseason and a chance to sign the players he wants then we would have a much better season than this. However, if we had the choice i would personally go for some new blood...


I'm sorry but he hasn't been dumped with a load of shiit players, he was left with the foundations of a squad that need strengthening in defensive areas. However he has decided to ignore these defensive issues and instead buy 5 forward players before even evening thinking about bringing in this Skarz lad. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over Guy's signing as he was only brought in when Robson got injured.

He could have at least strengthened the team by putting Ben Clark at the back but he has been ignorant to his performances in midfield and his ability in defence too.

He even admitted he was happy to bring forwards in and I'm sure the quote was along the lines of 'I'm strengthening from the strikeforce first, if you score goals then you will always win games'. That is bollox in itself and has been proved the case as we have continued to return a healthy amount of goals but still conceded in a ridiculous fashion.

If he had brought 4 defensive players in during the transfer windows then we'd be sat happily in midtable and for that reason alone I don't trust his management ability.

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some of these comments are well harsh. He has been dumped with a load of shiit players and given a decent preseason and a chance to sign the players he wants then we would have a much better season than this. However, if we had the choice i would personally go for some new blood...


I'm sorry but he hasn't been dumped with a load of shiit players, he was left with the foundations of a squad that need strengthening in defensive areas. However he has decided to ignore these defensive issues and instead buy 5 forward players before even evening thinking about bringing in this Skarz lad. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over Guy's signing as he was only brought in when Robson got injured.

He could have at least strengthened the team by putting Ben Clark at the back but he has been ignorant to his performances in midfield and his ability in defence too.

He even admitted he was happy to bring forwards in and I'm sure the quote was along the lines of 'I'm strengthening from the strikeforce first, if you score goals then you will always win games'. That is bollox in itself and has been proved the case as we have continued to return a healthy amount of goals but still conceded in a ridiculous fashion.

If he had brought 4 defensive players in during the transfer windows then we'd be sat happily in midtable and for that reason alone I don't trust his management ability.



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And of course by 'bought' you mean brought in on loan or for free


Surely IOR could use the money from the Boydy and Dimi sales bbolt

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And of course by 'bought' you mean brought in on loan or for free


Surely IOR could use the money from the Boydy and Dimi sales bbolt

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What about the money from the Sunderland FA Cup tie, and from the play-off final, and what about the lTV Digital money, eh?
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what happened to the money from our cup run in 78, that's what I want to know.

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His latest reply about the defence is even more baffling.

'CT: The question of Ben Clark and Michael Nelson at the back is one I have been asked a few times but we have played them at the back this season a number of times about six or seven weeks ago and we still conceded two goals per game. I left Sam Collins out for three of four games but we still conceded goals. I wish people would look around and see that it is not just individuals conceding goals but the whole team.

Since we put Ben Clark and Tony Sweeney together as the midfield two, this has allowed Tony to push on and he has scored three goals so far from that position. He can push forward while Ben sits in midfield so there are pros and cons of playing Ben Clark in midfield.

If people look at when Michael Nelson and Ben Clark were our centre halves in League One, we struggled that season and were relegated - I'm not saying they are a poor partnership or they are a great pair, I just have to pick a side that has to get the best out of most positions, not just two positions'

When Collins didn't play at the start of the year we lost one league game in five and averaged conceding 1.4 goals. The other game was against West Ham who only managed to score one goal from normal play. We have lost just under 50% of the games that we have played with Sam Collins in defence this season, when he hasn't played we have lost about 22%.

I understand his very last comment but would be able to understand it more if Ben Clark was playing well there. He isn't and we need him back in defence with one of McCunnie, Humphreys or Jones playing his role.

I honestly believe if doesn't address our defence by the end of the season we won't pick up another point.

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His latest reply about the defence is even more baffling.

'CT: The question of Ben Clark and Michael Nelson at the back is one I have been asked a few times but we have played them at the back this season a number of times about six or seven weeks ago and we still conceded two goals per game. I left Sam Collins out for three of four games but we still conceded goals. I wish people would look around and see that it is not just individuals conceding goals but the whole team.

Since we put Ben Clark and Tony Sweeney together as the midfield two, this has allowed Tony to push on and he has scored three goals so far from that position. He can push forward while Ben sits in midfield so there are pros and cons of playing Ben Clark in midfield.

If people look at when Michael Nelson and Ben Clark were our centre halves in League One, we struggled that season and were relegated - I'm not saying they are a poor partnership or they are a great pair, I just have to pick a side that has to get the best out of most positions, not just two positions'

When Collins didn't play at the start of the year we lost one league game in five and averaged conceding 1.4 goals. The other game was against West Ham who only managed to score one goal from normal play. We have lost just under 50% of the games that we have played with Sam Collins in defence this season, when he hasn't played we have lost about 22%.

I understand his very last comment but would be able to understand it more if Ben Clark was playing well there. He isn't and we need him back in defence with one of McCunnie, Humphreys or Jones playing his role.

I honestly believe if doesn't address our defence by the end of the season we won't pick up another point.

But thats your opinion, Turner has a different one, as i do to both of you. Thats football isn't it? completely different opinions. You can't even judge who's is best as is its all conjecture. The one thing Turner HAS to do is trust himself and what he believes. And pass that onto the team, its too late in the day to do anything else.

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Errm it's a messageboard and I'm giving my opinion so I don't know what you're on about in those first few lines. Personally I don't see how it's too late in the day to put your best defender back in his best position and replace him with one of the players I mentioned previously.

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But thats your opinion, Turner has a different one, as i do to both of you. Thats football isn't it? completely different opinions. You can't even judge who's is best as is its all conjecture. The one thing Turner HAS to do is trust himself and what he believes. And pass that onto the team, its too late in the day to do anything else.

I agree with you but the thing Turner should of done weeks ago was to put Budtz in goal in place of ALB and I'm sure we would have nothing to play for in these last 3 games.

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Errm it's a messageboard and I'm giving my opinion so I don't know what you're on about in those first few lines. Personally I don't see how it's too late in the day to put your best defender back in his best position and replace him with one of the players I mentioned previously.


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