The mail has been reporting on Pools games for over 100 years. Have l missed something

Northen Echo, Hpool Mail plus sports photographers. What is going on ? Even http://www.frankreidphotographer.co.uk/ site has been shut down.

Franks' site isnt down by the looks of that... Possibly getting re-made, I guess PoolieGirl would know the answer to that

You'll still see Frankie there, he's paying in!

With the rest of us rabble!

Good on him.

So is the mail reporter i believe....

Aye, but he'll be claiming it back on expenses when he submits his report.

If Frank aint taking pics he'll be paying himself in as a fan just like the rest of us.

How is the mail getting its photographs? That the big question....

There not and using pictures from past games.

As a certain mail photogropher said to me its history not being captured.

Not strictly true, the "history" is being recorded by other photographers (e.g. away teams, agencies) just not by the Mail or the Echo photographers.

Still think its a bloody daft row and the club should either explain their actions or back down!

It's history that is now being recorded and kept within the 'town' then to rephrase.

Why the feck should they

The Mail panders more to soft c0cked Mags and BlunderlandNil fans then Hartlepool United

Feck em!

No ambition, yeah that's right 10million investment in a club of which they don't even own the ground...

Bornmuff, Darlow, Leeds etc etc have all shown 'ambition'

And if 'floating' supports can go and fcuk themselves if they believe the Premiership is any better then that which is served at the Vic....

I find it hilarious that the Mail cant report from home games. Well done Uncle Ken.

10million investment - I dont agree with that figure, but its a great pre-tax loss machine - Hpool.
The club needs floating supporters or it cant move forward and the gate shows they are not happy with what is being served at the vic.

So what if it is a pre-tax loss machine (which it isn’t), the club needs the GROUND before it can move forward, nothing more, and nothing less

It has spend nearly £200000 only players in the past year and a half, add that to wages and the running of the club on a day to day basis, its not to shabby

What business model do you profess 'Pools should follow, that of Darlow, Bornmuff, Luton and countless other clubs that have gone tits up over the years??

the fact that james brown is still a hartlepool united player tells you about their ambition
Thats true and he was signed up on a three year contract.

So where is your argument?
He has signed a contract and IOR have not allowed him to be sold despite the huge income it would have brought them.
We do not need floating supporters, we need supporters who are there to support the club no matter what.
Banning the mail was always the right way to go about it if they were not paying their rates/taking liberties.
If they do not want to follow the rules of how the club say they should be using the pictures then they are taking liberties in my opinion.
As for any comments on the way IOR have run the club, all I can say is thank fook for them.
Without them I am almost certain I would not still have had a hometown club to support.
Admittedly I was not here through the really bad times.
but I have seen near escapes from going out of the league, and anyone who cannot see the club is now in the best position, financially and on the field, than we have ever been.
Rant over.
Floating Fans welcome to the board
The Mail, play by the rules, pay your way, or welcome to the board
The "hardcore" fans, keep it up. The atmosphere this year so far is better than last season at this point.

But is the media-thing not just an issue blown up out of all proportion?? Who cares what the Mail does or doesn't report about HUFC, and who will be influenced by their match write-ups?
Also, is the revenue that will fall to the owner of match photo rights worth fighting over? It's all a bit pathetic.

God knows there're plenty of important things to worry about

We need the floating supporters to become loyal to the club and the only way we can do that is offer an exciting team/ground. It is the only way the club can go forward and grow.

When IOR first took over l was at Turners first game away at Torquay when we lost 0 - 3 and it looked like the bad old days again. Since then you are right that the club is stable and most of the past season have been good. Coopers departure still leaves a bad taste in the mouth in the way he went and Scott dragged us back to the Stone Age.

IF we had gone up from Cardiff l think we could of took the club forward ground/crowd wise and built on it. But we have stood still and that is the point. We have to achieve as a club and clime into the championship or we will be bouncing between the two lower tears of the divisions.

We can be insulated and say we don’t need a bigger crowd and we will never move forward

How have we 'stood still'?

We got promoted at the first time of asking and IOR are pulling out every stop to buy the ground back
Until they own the ground I don't blame them for not building any new stands

Would you build an extension on a house you only rented???

Can you tell me when a wage cap was introduced in our division, chip?

im sure the hartlepool mail bloke was sat in teh cyril knowles stand rite next 2 the town end on tuesday with a big camera and the stewards werent even bothered, but u get ur phone out and record a free kick or a penna and they shout at u its unbelivable

Apparently so

once agin the great mis informed have their say

I received this from the Football League in November 2005 regarding salary caps.


and in a further reply


So unless things have changed (and the could possibly have done so) then League One wage cap continues to be a pilot and not adhered to as strictly as League Two

You're wrong chip. There is no wage cap now in L1, it's only in L2.

Thank you for answering my question, chip. Your time and effort is much appreciated.
I knew there was a voluntary arrangement for league one clubs, but wasn't sure whether that it had been made compulsery or not, hence my question.

Do you want pools to spend more than they bring in thickhall?

IN DEFENCE OF THE PRESS
By Steve Dawson - 28/08/2008 22:11

http://hartlepoolunited.rivals.net/News/pgArticle.aspx?artid=13654_4062486

THE recent news that HUFC have banned both the Hartlepool Mail and the Northern Echo has all the makings of a serious own goal by the club.


Both papers have recently run articles confirming that they have been banned for the foreseeable future and this can only hurt the club in my humble opinion.

It appears that the original dispute has something to do with commercial image rights as the club has been banned from taking photos at home games and was very upset when the local paper was supplied with images from the Northern Echo. I am sure that everyone has noticed that the copyright notice on the bottom of all articles on the official web site seems to be much larger than of late.

Of course, this is nothing new in the history of the club. Speaking as an ex-Mail employee I can remember numerous conflicts involving Arthur Pickering, Jeff Stelling, Colin Cameron and James Bond on the Mail side, and Vince Barker, John Smart and Garry Gibson on the Pools side.

Invariably, the disputes would be petty and would be as a result of a perceived criticism of players, managers, owners or even just a misinterpretation of a match report, and which would involve a two-week ban, petulance on both sides which was then forgotten in a month.

But this seems to be far more serious.

The board of Hartlepool United need to finally understand the uniqueness of owning a football club. It is not as if IOR bought a manufacturing division where profit, turnover and capabilities can be quantified on a spreadsheet - it simply is a football club.

A football club that causes countless discussions and arguments in pubs and clubs, a football club where supporters have spent tens of thousands of pounds over decades to grotty dim ends of the country to watch their team in an uncovered stand in torrential rain on a cold January Tuesday night. A club that inspires devotion and passion and faith and belief. To some supporters HUFC is their church - when did that last happen in a manufacturing plant!! This is a principle the owners refuse to accept.

I suspect what really sticks in the throat of the board, is the fact that they cannot do without the supporters - it is their money that ultimately pays the bills, and to be beholding to this group I suspect sticks in their collective throats.

This is where the press can help the club, with its daily stories (not the sanitised Politburo versions on the official web site), its comments, rumours and match previews, when it is done right and generates interest, a well written preview can add hundreds to the gate of a home game.

Down the years, it has been standard practice by clubs around the country to leak interest of a player to the press, therefore getting it to write an article that suddenly makes the intended player aware of the interest and therefore making the negotiation far easier. It was a comfortable association that benefitted both parties.

But the naivety of owning a football club is long gone, gone forever are the genial chairmen and now all clubs are run in an extremely hard nosed manner where multiple revenue streams are paramount.

I would hope that this current spat would be a storm in a teacup and in a normal environment would be resolved with an off the record chat over lunch and a nice bottle of wine. But the current (non football) management team have consistently shown their contempt for supporters and press alike and I suspect something major will have to give before this current dispute is resolved.

Ken just never learns does he.

Fuck the Mail.

The Mail have always supported the club and supported it with excellent coverage and match reports, how people can blame the newspaper is beyond me

I think people just like to have a moan at any issue that arise that concerns the football club, ok, you say the mail is shit, I think it does a decent job and a very good job on reporting at pools, if you don't like it then you don't buy it

So you're saying you wont get many people backing the mail on here so you do know what the issues are then? and you do know who is definitely to blame ?

Anyway, its only a foooking messageboard, most on here dont even live in Hartlepool so its hardly going to affect newspaper sales is it

Having worked at The Mail up until recently, I feel i'm in a position to stick up for them a bit. The fact that there is Sunderland (mainly) Newcastle and Boro stories in regularly stems from the company (Northeast Press, which owns Shields Gazette and the Sunderland Echo) putting stories in each others papers. There are always Pools stories in both of the above mentioned publications, which not only gives coverage to us here in Hartlepool, but to the entire Northeast and on a worlwide scale via the interweb!

I would say there was an impressive write-up on a Friday in terms of match build up and pretty decent coverage of the weekend and weeknight games too.

Can't see what more they can do really.

I don't know the details of this current spat and to be honest I am not bothered if I never know. I do think though that a local newspaper and the local sports teams, persons, clubs etc should have some form of affinity and respect for each other. Most comunities criticise their local rag but, at the same time, usually turn to it for information. I very rarely actually buy the mail but I visit their website on a regular basis.
Come on guys, sort it out.

Tree_With_Hamster - Thats the best you can say

I think its the most valid point in this thread.

If the mail want to print pictures etc then they sign the contract. Its very simple. They dont decide to whinge and to act like a 5 year old child and print Mr Hodcrofts phone number and look even more pathetic than they usually do.

Iv said it before and il say it again, worst paper ever.

Good point ! Yet the club needs the press as much as they need them?

Great post chip!

AS I SAID BEFORE THE MIS INFORMED HAVING THEIR GUESS AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON

zzzz boring know it all 'lovely lovely person' alert.

i dont take sides my point was a couple of long posts that said nowt because you know nowt
i think you will find the applause from obi was sarcasm
one point is the mail have not sold pics for a long time hufc 1908 will bear that out i am sure

so let them guess guess and guess again they just dont know the facts of the case so they have a guess the sad part is they believe it them selves

I've just found out from Chip's post that they've scrapped the Football Mail. It's like we're on a downward spiral with all the really valuable but possibly unessential things i.e. bits of luxury that make life worth living, being rationalised out of existence.

What a shame.

As much my fault I suppose for not being there to buy it.

more sarcasm for you

I know the crack re this Gremm and just cos Frankie boy talks to you (or could well be you at times ) or a n other talks to you then you think you can slate others - you will only get the one-eyed one sided part of the story and will, by habit, fall for it.

At the end of the day the ban is there for SEVERAL reasons on all sides - it's up to them to sort it out if they can, if they can't is it going to make the result of the game any different?

Don't think so.

Are Pools still playing every weekend?

Yep

Do Pools charge you for selling MB on their premises?

If not then you should well sit on the fence on this one just in case they cast their eye in your direction.

Can the reporters get to now even look Mr Wilson in the eye?

Nope

Personally I find it funny but there's funnier things going on in the world and much much more serious things to worry about and get all aggressive and emotional about.

i thought fodroffs quote on the mail deserved a clap

you know the crack so you have spoken to both parties?
i have never discussed this with frankie boy and again you are misinformed on the frankie being me
at this moment i am waiting for a reply from the instigator of the lies to get back still waiting john if you want to debate it on an open forum then lets do it
and where have i slated anyone??
just passing comment
we all know it is for several reasons but it is not for us to comment on here which is why i posted misinformed
but again people on the bunker put two and two together and come up with five
so what has pools results got to do with it and for that matter what has MB got to do with it that is a pretty stupid statement
also i think you will find unless a ground purchase has gone ahead without any of us knowing it still isnt actually their premises
and as i have never commented one way or the other yet accused of being biased?
as for emotional you are simply here having a pop at me for your own ends thats what i call aggression

As I said before, The Mail is utter shite anyway so I find it hilarious and hope they never get to use pictures of pools again. Well done Ken!