Why?

do you reckon barack obama's wife calls him barry? " How, barry get the fucking kettle on!!"

Do you think that he calls his wife Umfoofoo?

WE is the issue here - plus i have as much interest in the behaviour of liars and arsehole politicians as i have in the performance of POKs intestine

I've just read four pages of self-importance. What's going on with this place these days?

POK - optimism is good, passing knowledge on stuff you evidently don't know much about isn't lending you credit though. And having an opinion on everything.

The likes of Mr I know me well enough to understand how big a statement I'm about to make is, but Labour til you die? Come on now, you must be a wind-up... I'm die-hard left wing but Labour have been gash for ages now. Try to calm down a bit, eh? I've seen people on drugs that are less hyperactively opinionated and optimistic than you. Seriously, I'm not even kidding.

Miner's strike? You're younger than me, and even I don't use it as reasoning after a modern British history degree. Christ's sake, unless you're joking (which I just can't tell any more/at all with you) you need to get a grip

Thank you for the advice and positive comments.

If the Miner's Strike isn't an excuse not to vote for labour then surely THREE million unemployed under Thatcher, stole school children's milk as well - inspirational woman, bad prime ministerial policies.

OH.MY.GOD!!!!!

what have you done?!!!!!!

What ?

Surely people might call her a trailblazer for women in politics.

So you're basing your political bias on an event that happened 7 or 8 years before you were born, didn't affect you and evidently isn't understood past the clichés bandied about by Ben Elton and his Saturday Live cronies?

As far as things are going now, Labour have suffered failure after failure. I'll never vote Tory especially with that smug bastard David Cameron in charge, but don't you think it's more viable to support a political party for how it affects your life now and not how the opposition didn't before you were born?

It's like voting Barack Obama because you preferred Carter to Reagan.

No, I agree with what you say there, while I grew up Blair reduced unemployment, Brown as Chancellor meant that this country had our longest period of sustained economic growth, we solved the Northern Ireland problem and more young people are going to university under a Labour government than under Major's Conservative government.

It's America's fault that the global economy has suffered, as well as ours, we've jsut got to ride out the storm and then evrything should be fine once Obama wins the Presidency. Obama is too charismatic a candidate to lose in November.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you: The Sweeney -

You've pretty much quoted word for word what I said myself about Labour, but it doesn't mask the problems of the last two years which has seen the loss of over 30 million records (with 4 million unannounced losses), the unions taking issue with public pension and payment schemes and the lowest positivity in opinion polls in post-war history. Add to that the response to Northern Rock, the Iraq war as a whole and the 10p tax rate and you've got a lot of unhappy voters with a right to believe what they do.

Minimum wage was good. Northern Ireland was ten years ago. University comes at an astronomical price. Major was simply picking up the pieces of a fragmented party... much like the one currently in charge.

Either way, you can't judge a party on merits before - it has to be consistent. Recently it's been anything but. Either way, the political make-up of this country has to change, whether it means the return of true Labour or the loss of it completely so that they can rediscover exactly what's needed as a political force. The more I think about it, write about it and report about it in my job, the more I prefer the latter option.

And it's not America's fault that the global economy is how it is. Capitalism in its nature is boom and bust as greed drives up prices. It may be worth checking out today's report that shows America is growing at a rate higher than the presidency itself predicted. The dollar's gotten a lot stronger in the last couple of months too.

I think that you'll find that the economy was growing well BEFORE Labour assumed control, and that all Brown did as Chancellor was ride the wave and spend the money from the boom times leaving us almost bankrupt for the inevitable cyclical "bust" period. He was a shite Chancellor having caused medium to long term damage to the British economy for short term gain to try and make himself look good.

I concur. If you'd have asked me 5 years ago I'd have said Brown was one of the best, if not the best, Chancellors we've had.

Hindsight's a wonderful thing!

Gotten.............. FFS

And don't forget to clean the yard junior, or else the T-Bird stays put

who started all this?

Yes, his crystal ball was turned off that day, jsut like Nigel Lawsons was when he flogged British Gas, I mean who would ever imagined the price of gas would ever of went up, eh Mutters?

Are you saying that if British Gas was still a nationalised company today then they'd be able to buy the stuff cheaper on the world markets? Wow.

Yes, er no, I don't know do I?

I was pointing out the fact that its hard to tell how much a commodity will go up or down

And lets face facts Ripper, you can crow all you like about it, the Tories pished enough money up the wall during their tenure and no amount of revisionist clap trap can hide that fact

What are they there for then????

Oil and Gold reserves are there to be sold, or am I missing the point?

told ya

Gentlemen, there are two things which are pointless arguing about................religion and politics.
Recapping over recent political history, the country got fed up of the Tories and so they were replaced by.........politicians. We are now getting fed up with the current lot, so we will replace them..............with politicians. The only thing they are consistently good at is their ability to appear good in opposition.
It generally takes a while, but each and everyone of you will eventually realise that they are all the same.
I will remind you all that the country didn't get rid of Mrs Thatcher, the Tory party did. The country never voted Mr Brown as PM, the Labour party did. They do what they do firstly to protect their own positions and secondly and thirdly etc etc etc. We come about err...... last when they list their priorities, until of course they want our votes.....................

Incidentally Mr Kent, if you want to give credit on solving Northern Ireland, don't forget to include John Major. Mo Mowlam was the most influential, then Major then Blair. I give Blair credit but not all of it. Likewise, for the first time in modern history Brown took over a rapidly improving economy from the Major government. He blew it all on an unwinnable war in Iraq.

Look at the cost of that war and suddenly Northern Rock seems like petty cash.

On Maggie.... you really are talking complete shite. She was actually against the removal of free school milk. She beat up Scargill because he utterly deserved it. The pits closed because they were uneconomic and there was institutional thieving and greed amongst the miners.

As the man said; do your own thinking and try not to sound like Ben Elton and Alexi Sayle 20 years ago.

There are only four things I truly hate; Sectarianism, racism, niggers and fuck ing Catholics!!

Firstly, I duely note what you said about Northern Ireland.
Secondly, if Maggie fought against this milk thing, why is he nicknamed "Milk Snatcher"
Would Scargill have had a decent chance of being elected MP for Hartlepool ?
Lastly, what if my own thinking is Ben Elton, but then again I've never met or seen Ben WEton in my life - these are just the ideas I have!

I tell you if Hartlepool and Gillingham both turn blue at the next election (two supposed Labour heartlands), we'll have a new Conservative Government.

Privatised power supplies have one major drawback...shareholders who want their premium and we pay regardless....funny how when these private oragnaisations go tits up it's the taxpayer who has to pay the bill....l why not the shareholders?

Maggie was against the policy which the treasury actually invented and it was supported by the then PM Ted Heath. Maggie was the Education Secretary and was given the job to introduce it. She argued against it in cabinet but had to bow to the majority and her boss the PM.

Scargill is a joke. He's a caricature of what he once was but for him to get elected as an MP the timing would have had to have been right. Had he have stood for a Yorkshire pit area pre strike he would have probably got in but even for the Labour party as it was then he was a bit extreme. Don't forget he did stand as an MP in Hartlepool. He lost his deposit.

What about the Polish. Roma. niggers. Muslims. pikeys. cockneys. Darloids. and people who let there dog shiite on the pavement i blame them me like....

and the peoples front of judea

no, no, no it is the judean peoples front, the peoples front of judea have nothing to do with it

Actually GP I think you will find it is.

Heavy sub prime lending in the US, led to a large number of defaults and therefore (to use their term) foreclosures. This in turn led to heavy write offs by US lenders causing loss of confidence in the money markets. Banks became more reluctant to lend money to each other and they began sitting on their reserves to protect themselves. This squeezed the amount of money available for lending in the world economy, with lenders having less money to lend, fewer available mortgages leading to a cooling of the housing market due to falling demand and hence falling prices. Falling demand in the housing market also causing layoffs in the building industry, which will lead ultimately to lower consumer spending, lower consumer spending will cause more layoffs in other industries & all of a sudden lo and behold, you have yourselves a good old major recession. All ultimately deriving from our American friends lending money to people who couldnt afford to pay it back

And sorry Mr Kent, Barrak Obama being elected will have bog all impact, it may improve confidence short term, but in the medium term will do nothing unless he has a damn good economic policy up his sleeve. Nothing is going to solve this thing overnight, so grit your teeth 'cos it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better

Thank you, Cowboy, no I absolutely agree with you about Obama, but I think we'll see the nuts and bolts of his campaign be put in over the next 66 days before Election Day.

We know from the Primaries he is one of the best orators the world has ever seen, an important characteristic of a classic president.

Ig his policies are top draw as well, he could be a great, inspirational president !

Please please please stop it!!!!!!!!

Nope - think you are wrong there

Let me remind you - Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest orators the world has ever seen - & look at what he did

If If That's the point isn't it, we don't know - nobody knows - he could be just an electoral gimmick for all we know

Nope - think you are wrong there

Let me remind you - Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest orators the world has ever seen - & look at what he did

If If That's the point isn't it, we don't know - nobody knows - he could be just an electoral gimmick for all we know[/quote]

Surely, you can't compare Adolf Hitler to Barack Obama though, Hitler organised the Holocaust whilst Obama is trying to fight against corruption in Washington.

We don't know until we try do we.

Surely, you can't compare Adolf Hitler to Barack Obama though, Hitler organised the Holocaust whilst Obama is trying to fight against corruption in Washington.

We don't know until we try do we.[/quote]

Trying to point out that being "one of the greatest orators the world has ever seen" means nothing. I stated a fact about Hitler - I didn't compare Obama to him! Just because he can talk the talk doesn't neccessarily mean he can walk the walk. The problems in the US/World economy and the other social & political probems faced by the US will not be solved overnight. To state all will be well when Obama is elected (which I am sure he will be) is naive in the extreme. He is untested & may well be an abject failure (like good ole boy George W)

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I tell you if Hartlepool and Gillingham both turn blue at the next election (two supposed Labour heartlands), we'll have a new Conservative Government. [/quote]


cold cold cold day in hell before hartlepool go tory! libs would get in if the labour bubble ever burst!

gawd above! Theres one or two up their own orifices on 'ere. Seven pages of self regarding ping pong. Thank god Lpool uni shut it's doors.