is on film4 monday at nine,is it worth watching?

I seem to recall that Mr Mutley is a particular fan of it.

Not seen it myself and didn't know it was gonna be on, but if I remember by next week then I will be watching.

Good Film i Reckon Well Worth Watching.

yes it is!

The extra features on the DVD are worth buying the DVD alone for,

It is definitely worth watching. It is a well observed picture of what life was like for a working class lad growing up on a sink estate in Thatchers England. Funny in parts and violent in others, it has bad language and a lot of racism but if you are going to accurately depict certain areas of England during that time then this is necessary.

Maybe it is shameful, nevertheless this film depicts what went on in places around the UK at that time, and it is an accurate portrayal.

But "accurately depicting" and "celebrating" are not necessarily one and the same are they.

I don't think that a film like Schindlers List was necessarily a celebration of the mass slaughter of Jews, for example, or that Mississipi Burning was bigging up the burning of the niggers in Yankee land.

Why?

I was only born in the 70s so didn't really experience it first hand, however I'm led to believe that the underlying current of a lot of the violence was racist.

Did Hitler and the Nazis first foray into racism start with the mass construction of death camps and gas chambers or did it start on a smaller scale?

Looking at it from a different angle if you need the film to celebrate anything then maybe it is the fact that the minority here didn't gain enough power to inflict their views on a mass scale.

Pedantic post alert!

This is England is set in the 80's.

As you were.

Thugs may adopt a skinhead look,but dont confuse them with genuine skinheads.
I spend a lot of time going to gigs,am a big reggae fan & meet a lot of skinheads at gigs & I can tell you that the vast majority of skinheads are pleasant peaceful & absolutely not racist at all.

I concur.

My point was that the excuse for the violence was racist, the vast majority that you describe would not be involved in that.

its a gud filum, ya?!

its a quality film


last scenes shocking though

Ah we appear to have returned to the original question of the thread...It is definitely worth watching...

The film is spot on i was one of the first skinheads in Hartlepool after seeing 2 skins from london on a David Frost programme with union collarless shirts. braces. jeans and working boots The Skinhead Movement was born and as GC says we used to go to all the reggie concerts meet up with lads from Boro and Stockton who had black skins in there clique and racism was never part of it.
The first time i noticed the racism moving into the movement was at an away game to Bradford with pools and the NF were outside the ground peddling there newspapers and they were dressed as skins with the union jack flying.
I was about 16 i took a newspaper read it and to be honest did not understand it really but joined the NF as alot of skins were at that time.
My dad read one of the NF newsletters with the headline The Holocust Was Lies. and sat me down and told me the truth about the NF and what they were really about needless to say that was the end of that but not my involvement with the skinhead movement and to this day at the age of 52 i still have a skinhead.

Yep the likes of Skrewdriver attracted racist thugs which is where the S.H.A.R.P. (SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice) movement started to distance themselves from the thugs.
I dont think you do get the 'Skrewdriver type of skin' at reggae gigs these days as the rest of the Skinhead movement has pretty much ousted them.
Mutley is probably more clued up than me,but the way I see it is that the thugs tried to steal the skinhead style & the real skins fought back with ideas such as S.H.A.R.P. & nowadays have pretty much reclaimed their movement from the yobs.

Sorry for dragging this off topic,if a mod wants to split the relevant posts into a new topic feel free

I tried to get hold of the DVD for ages, saw it in Bangkok, went back later and it was gone, found it here in the city where I live. Watched it in solitude one Sunday morning. Realistically, there one racist thug in it, unsuccessfully spreads his message, fails, has to visit his venom close to home, gets his comeuppance. There's no positive aspect about racism displayed in the whole thing.

It is a classic English film that pulls no punches. Regrettably these films get swamped with Hollywood shite but Channel 4, the best, BUT the best thing to ever happen to English television champions them.

Did you all enjoy it last night then?

watched the last bit again, depressed the holy f uck outta me

I know the young lad got all the plaudits for his role in that film but for me the real star was the guy who played 'Combo' - a brilliant portrayal of an homicidal, hate-filled racist. It wasn't pretty but theres no denying that these people exist and his performance was top drawer

Forgot that it was on.

Well it was on Film4 so it will probably be repeated ad infinitum from now on...

I watched it last night, it was funny in the right places and very saddening in others. I thought they could have done a lot more about the rivalry between woody and combo, and what went on in the past but there's only so much time you have in the film. I have to admit I was shocked at the end at the twist from brotherly love, and slapstick lines from the young lad to the brutal violence that followed. It was designed to shock and make reality hit home and it did exactly that. Now one of my favourite films

The bit below Scotland.

As a film, I thought it was ok but nothing special and the same applies to Dead Man's Shoes. All style, no substance. Compared to his first film a Room For Romeo Brass, which is an excellent piece of cinema, both paled in significance. Meadows can't half pick a good soundtrack though.

His first Feature Length was actually 'Twenty Four Seven'....sorry!!!!

My apologies. Still, my opinion stands.

It could have been in many places around the UK at that time, including Hartlepool.

Most of the film was actually set in Grimsby which is where the young lad was from...