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Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:37 am

chip fireball wrote:

Richard M. Head wrote:

gremmlin wrote:

i would not credit wilson on the liddle signing as they arrived on the same day

Danny Wilson, hired 13-06-2006
Gary Liddle, signed 10-08-2006

Sorry Ian. Maybe you are confusing them with Nelson and Cooper.

richard, that would suggest liddle had been playing for the first team before he signed for us. :laugh:

ian is actually RIGHT.

Gary Liddle's first appearance in a Pools shirt was in the League Cup tie against Burnley on 22nd August 2006.
Now, seriously, explain to me how that makes me wrong.

Don't make an arse of yourself Chip, it's not customary. (Well, not very.)
You neither Ian, just stop it please. You're making a point that doesn't exist. You can do better.

You're telling me the Gary Liddle deal was signed two and a half months before he played for us.
That the deal was announced two and a half months before he pulled on a shirt.

You've both been reading too much HG Wells.
Maybe you know of a game he played in before that Burnley match. I was in France you know, I might have missed it. rolfl

Spender · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:37 am

chip fireball wrote:

Pooliekev wrote:

Nobodys Hero wrote:

Everyone I spoke to after Tuesday said.......They would be happy to finish midtable as long as we tried to play football like that every week.

If we won one and lost one......but played THAT STYLE of football all season, I would be happy.

It was a joy to watch. Most of the rest of the season has been painful to watch.

2-1 win at Championship Scunthorpe
Narrow 2-1 loss at Championship Sheffield Wednesday in extra time
Hammering promotion chasing Oldham 4-1 with the much vaunted Lee Hughes in their side
An unbelievable debut at Elland Road, no-one knows how we lost
An upset at Leyton Orient 4-2.
5 against Lincoln
6 against Gainsborough
Playing Tranmere off the park for 3-1
Boxing Day thriller against Leeds??
Battering Crewe 3-0
Heart in the mouth 4-3 against Southend
Ripping Luton to bits, one was a penalty so it obviously didn't count
Coronary time against Port Vale at home, 3-2
Three straight wins to get within six points of sixth

Aye, it's been shiit so far. All the way.

Mind, I never saw :uhoh:

....coat... :grin:

so if its been so great to watch then where are the 1000 gone off the gate kev ?

is it because you forgot to mention :

3 months and god knows how many games of losing away from home :

the bore draw at home with swindon.

the crap 1-0 home defeat off walsall.

getting beat off morecambe at home when we could have been on our way to wembley.

the nightmare home defeat by world beaters brighton

the godawful bore draw at the vic in front of the cameras with a bournemouth team that could barely field a team at the time.

another bore draw at home against orient.

getting knocked out of another cup by another 4th division side.

the nightmare on friday night that was cheltenham at home where we should have been 5 down in the first half an hour.

the first hour of the port vale game where we took ineptitude to new levels.

the home game with northampton where once again we took ineptitude to new levels.

I never said anything like that which you are trying to suggest I did. Fatty names one game and says the rest has been shit. I merely pointed out that there was more than that one game that must have had merit. Coming back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 surely has some sort of a achievement stamped on it, however bad the circumstances of going 2-0 down were??

To be honest mate, you appear to hate it so much I really do wonder why you bother at all.

Spender · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:07 pm

As an exercise in fence sitting, that justifies your huge arse. :wink:

Almost, although you will be hogging the fence......

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:13 pm

Richard M. Head wrote:

Don't make an arse of yourself Chip, it's not customary. (Well, not very.)
You neither Ian, just stop it please. You're making a point that doesn't exist. You can do better.

You're telling me the Gary Liddle deal was signed two and a half months before he played for us.
That the deal was announced two and a half months before he pulled on a shirt.

You've both been reading too much HG Wells.
Maybe you know of a game he played in before that Burnley match. I was in France you know, I might have missed it. rolfl

What about the transfer embargo due to our wage bill being above 60% of our turnover?

I'll think you'll find that's why it took so long to sign him, because it would have been against league rules for us to do so. He was signed immediately after the embargo was lifted when IOR 'restructured' the finances.

I don't really care who signed him does it matter? It was a cracking signing. I also don't care who is the manager as long as we are doing well and the football is good to watch of late that has been the case long may it continue. We don't support a manager or a player we support Hartlepool United.

He's pissed me off at times but I don't get these pro and anti Wilson factions. I'm just pro Pools.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:14 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

What about the transfer embargo due to our wage bill being above 60% of our turnover?.

That certainly will have delayed things but it certainly didn't take IOR two months or more to react to the embargo after its announcement.
If it's true that the deal was set up in June just waiting for the embargo to be lifted, then that's serious because it means IOR were telling us giant porkies about suddenly having the embargo thrust on them.

In any case I can't believe Wilson just sat on his thumbs waiting for Liddle to arrive without doing some research himself into the lad's abilities. He must have had some input. It's fair enough saying the scouting staff found him, but so what - that's their job innit?

It matters who signed him only in as much as if we're going to criticise Wilson (which I am not; my feelings are completely neutral on that subject) let's at least criticise him for the right things.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37181

MadJohn wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Forget the grassy knoll type speculation and Machiavelian theorising

Apologies Mr Snowman, didn't mean to tread on your turf :wink:

I go straight for the throat ..... conspiracy theories aint my scene :wink:

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:36 pm

Richard M. Head wrote:

PJ_Poolie wrote:

What about the transfer embargo due to our wage bill being above 60% of our turnover?.

That certainly will have delayed things but it certainly didn't take IOR two months or more to react to the embargo after its announcement.
If it's true that the deal was set up in June just waiting for the embargo to be lifted, then that's serious because it means IOR were telling us giant porkies about suddenly having the embargo thrust on them.

In any case I can't believe Wilson just sat on his thumbs waiting for Liddle to arrive without doing some research himself into the lad's abilities. He must have had some input. It's fair enough saying the scouting staff found him, but so what - that's their job innit?

It matters who signed him only in as much as if we're going to criticise Wilson (which I am not; my feelings are completely neutral on that subject) let's at least criticise him for the right things.

Total agree with you on that one. Managers have to take people they trust's word most the times on signings especially the likes of Liddle who had hardly played any first team football. That's why I'd be more inclined to blame scouts/goalkeeping coaches for the recruitment of Dimi's replacement in the summer than Wilson.

At the end of the day the buck stops with the manager and Liddle was signed under Wilson's tenure so that goes down as a great Danny Wilson signing.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37181

So if they're a crap signing it's the scouts/coaches fault, Danny stands untainted. If they're any good and have even the vaguest of links to Danny, they're a brilliant Wilson signing.

For Gods sake just propose to him and get it over with. :roll:

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:10 am

Snowy wrote:

So if they're a crap signing it's the scouts/coaches fault, Danny stands untainted. If they're any good and have even the vaguest of links to Danny, they're a brilliant Wilson signing.

For Gods sake just propose to him and get it over with. :roll:

You totally miss my point.

Yes scouts and coaches may suggest signings but the buck stops with the manager. Liddle was good, apart from Sam Collins and McCunnie they have been bad this season.

*bends down with ring*

:roll:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37181

I did not 'miss your point'... I highllighted what you wrote, the fact that you managed to 're-write' it with less words that made your point much clearer is to be applauded.
Has he said ...."yes".....?

parmopooly · **Posted:** Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:50 pm

and in the blue corner.............................

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:11 pm

Snowy wrote:

I did not 'miss your point'... I highllighted what you wrote, the fact that you managed to 're-write' it with less words that made your point much clearer is to be applauded.
Has he said ...."yes".....?

No he's already spoken for, apparently I don't hold the ball up well enough or take a good enough penalty for him :wink:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37181

You had a close escape...... :laugh:

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