Assuming it was our choice

Smith (as back up)
Parkes
Dodds (in the hope he's back to what he was)

Miley
Sheron
Mancini

Mani D
Grey

I'd happily scatter the rest-(I like Madine but for his age v expensive) -and in reality Mani D and Grey wont stick around either so IF IF IF we have a new owner then plenty of scope to bring players in

I'd also give Limberick the boot--as our one tactic of giving it to Cleary and hoping he does something wont be an option next year

Smith in under contact, we need a replacement.
Parkes, Miley, Sheron, keep, Mancini pay as you play, Mani D and Grey will leave.

New owners, new manager, more or less a new squad and a new start from 25/26.

yeh I think Grey and Mani D are goners
Midfield is key, you look around at other teams and they all have better ball carrying midfielders than us.

I also dont think Limpy is the answer but if they stick with him we have to back him.

Hopefully new owners see how badly run we are and also scatter people like Lawrence, Monks, Moore etc... far too many consultants with no negative consequences for fucking up

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hartlep ... erein/2577

Agree that all the consultants or whatever they call themselves should go.

The only person I'd keep is Big Ben the Steward.

We couldn’t seriously think of keeping Mancini when he plays 15 minutes every 6th game?

Beyond Miley I wouldn’t offer any of them anything beyond their current contracts. New broom sweeps clean hopefully…

I suppose it all depends on who Featherstone wants to keep LOL!

Basic common sense.

But whoever does the list.?
Has to be no interference from muppet boardroom members / consultants.

Hopefully they are history.

But litterally anything for the worse could happen.
None of us know.

It's a terrible situation, either Limbrick stays and does the list, or there's a pre-sale agreement that the manager the new owners want does it. Any other way just makes the ma ager another whipping boy to try to make a team from a 3rd party's squad.

We've all said these players should be doing better. Who knows how well they could do managed well and without uncertainty hanging over their employer.

just wonder if all this uncertaintly around the club has continued into the dressing room and the training ground. it surely cannot be helping.

Definitely would have if you are under contract and not knowing if you are going to be paid after the end of season.

For me if possible i would keep.
Grey.....he will go
Mani D.......he will go
Miley
Clearly.................ok no chance
Sheron
Parkes
Mancini pay as you play

Featherstone as coach

The problem with building from scratch is that it takes time to gell and then a quarter of the season has gone.

I wouldn't have Featherstone in any capacity, just on the basis he might be a part of the problem.

Where has the concept of a “Pay as you Play” deal come from? They are professional footballers in a professional squad, there is no such thing as a “pay as you play” deal than can be offered that would be acceptable to the League.

If a player is injured, suspended, or just out of the manager’s plans, then you expect him to exist without any income? He will have a mortgage, rent and bills to pay like anyone else, he can’t take another job to get income, so what is he supposed to do? They aren’t millionaires, they are paid average wages.

Like a Zero Hour Contract...let's hope the Government make them illegal ASAP like they've said they would do!!!
A lad I've worked with for the past 2 years got a job with Royal Mail just 2 weeks ago...turns out it's a Zero Hour Contract...gets a phone call when he's needed to start at 1am...I kid you not!!! KUNTS!!!

If possible, we could offer Mancini minimum wage equivalent so £2,000 a month or whatever is now with decent performance bonuses.

Sounds a lot better than full time shift work.

If he doesn't get a back up education.
Then he could end up a with a life of skintness.

Slightly off topic.
Lennie was adament when we got the tough December fixtures out of the way.
We were Gunna fly up to the table.

What a Bullshitter he turned out to be.

EDIT: See further comments added after my initial post.

Are you absolutely certain that the League would have an objection to "pay as you play", or is it something you simply assume to be true?

I agree it would've been laughed at in the days of Stanley Matthews, but ever since the 1960's, certain players who would've been employees of the club at the time started pushing the boundaries. There is direct line from the likes of Terry Venables wanting to be self-employed - and of course Jimmy Greaves' Italian adventures - to the ludicrous levels of "player power" we have today.

I would assume "pay as you play" wouldn't be a problem at all these days, but if you can direct me to any information which proves that it is forbidden I would very much appreciate it.


EDIT: McTee1908 may have a point. After trying to find a definitive answer, it appears to me that the whole subject of how footballers are employed is pretty complex, and I'm more baffled now than I was before.

I need a lie down...

I'd imagine some of the part time clubs have pretty much pay as you play but probably with a basic retainer fee. Obviously quite a few players will have primary employers who don't always release them to play football.
Can't see Mancini being short of offers to be honest though.

I think the idea of pay as you play would be more a case of basic weekly wage and loaded with appearance and performance bonuses.

Yeah, there is a standard professional playing contract template that the National League imposes. We tried to alter it when we tried to sign Chris Maguire, doing exactly what most people are proposing here to do a pay as you play thing. Maguire had enough money from his time in the top leagues to not need much income, he just wanted to get back playing again and was glad to be given a chance. So we agreed a contract, announced it, sent the signed version to the National League and they refused to sanction it because it was too far removed from their standard contract template.

With the leagues below ours, they can work on pay as you play as they aren’t Professional players. If a pro player on a pay as you play was out for a couple of months for whatever reason (e.g. a broken arm so they can still run), they would need to get another job to pay the bills, meaning they aren’t able to train or do rehab full time. When they are available for selection again, they would have lost their match fitness through a lack of full time training, they can only afford to train full time if they are playing and so are getting paid, but they would only get selected to play if they were match fit. It becomes chicken and egg, so it just doesn’t make sense in the professional game.

We need a severe pruning of then squad if the new owners ever appear…trouble with most people is that want to cling on to to their ‘lickle’ favourites that in reality have done nothing of any consequence all season.
On reflection we need a serious cleaver out top to bottom and starting all over again …we have a squad who ‘performs’ when the mood takes them it appears and hope their stop start performances will be remembered for their good appearances and the crap one forgotten.
Any chance of returning to actual scouts as opposed to whizz kids with a catalogue balancing the figures to recruit ….because it doesn’t bloody work.

I have posted this before, I thought Ronnie Moore was brought in to identify potential signings or did I think wrong ?