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 Post subject: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:36 am 
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Just watched the goals from the Barrow v Doncaster game.

It made me a bit sad watching Luke Molyneux and Jamie Sterry starring again. It just shows the level and what we are up against in terms of where we are.

With this chairman and no disrespect meant, this old manager running things I despair. How much mismanagement and disrepair can our old club take?


It is soul destroying


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:01 am 
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Theres a simple reason our decent proper players can't wait to jump the sinking ship HUFC..


Serious lack of Ambition.
It's bad now but only Gunna get a lot worse.

It's shit but the truth hurts.

The Loonies in denile will be offended though.s
But this mess is out of bounds for our fans all the different types.

Life goes on.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:21 am 
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The basic theory of something in a serious decline.
Not just football clubs n other businesses.

The rise can only happen once that point of rock bottom has been reached.
(STOXK MARKET A PRIME EXAMPLE FROM YEAR'S AGO. CRASHED N NOW BOOMING etc.

Unfortunately under this Regime of Ownership we are nowhere near our Bottom.
So the Rise is a fair Way off happening.

Don't confuse Pessimisim with Reality in the case of HUFC.

One day we will Overcome n Rise again.
But unfortunately due to age many Poolies will miss out on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:04 am 
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The reason those two left Pools was for better wages and who can blame them that’s what all footballers do. As for ambition they are still playing at the same level as when they left Pools two years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:53 am 
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thebizarredj wrote:
Just watched the goals from the Barrow v Doncaster game.

It made me a bit sad watching Luke Molyneux and Jamie Sterry starring again. It just shows the level and what we are up against in terms of where we are.

With this chairman and no disrespect meant, this old manager running things I despair. How much mismanagement and disrepair can our old club take?


It is soul destroying


During Pools' last stint in the EFL some of the people on here were scathing about Jamie Sterry because of his injury record and weren't at all sorry to see him go.
Well, he still misses a lot of games at Donny (28 starts out of 46 league games last season) but is automatic first pick whenever he is fit. Class is permanent, fitness is temporary. We've had plenty of players since Sterry left who are fit as butchers' dogs but that's about all they have going for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:17 am 
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Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:42 am 
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Johnjo1 wrote:
The reason those two left Pools was for better wages and who can blame them that’s what all footballers do. As for ambition they are still playing at the same level as when they left Pools two years ago.


Next season they will be playing 2 divisions above us due to having to leave to save their careers.

They obviously made the correct decision.
A sideways move at the time but now reaping the rewards for leaving the sinking ship.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:45 am 
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PTID wrote:
Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.



We way below Harold Hornseys Chairmanship.
And everybody knows that apart from you.
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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:07 pm 
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I'm talking about the fact that they both couldn't take us any further, or wouldn't, that's all. Not talking about league position.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:10 pm 
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Watched Barra v Donny meself.
Good job we are not pushing this Season, Cause this squad is WAY below whats required for Lge2.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:06 pm 
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Johnjo1 wrote:
The reason those two left Pools was for better wages and who can blame them that’s what all footballers do. As for ambition they are still playing at the same level as when they left Pools two years ago.


Not just the wages.
Donny are a bigger club,will have talked about their ambitions,while Mols & Sterry saw the total lack of ambition here


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:22 pm 
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Did they both tell you that then or are you guessing?
Most people in most walks of life are driven by earnings, not the ambitions of their employer I find.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:20 pm 
PTID wrote:
Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.

I bet Harold Hornsey never got anywhere near the money he put into Pools when IOR bought the Club from him.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:46 pm 
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MutleyRules wrote:
PTID wrote:
Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.

I bet Harold Hornsey never got anywhere near the money he put into Pools when IOR bought the Club from him.


Actually he did Mutters. We asked him during a sponsored game when he was still at the club in a advisory role. He would always be hanging around the boxes shaking hands with guests etc. He said the offer was to good to refuse because he basically broke even and he reasurred us IOR had plenty of money to invest. If memory serves he said he paid £100 grand for the club but could take it no further. He said this deal returned almost all his investment in full and allowed the club to move forward. The improvements Cyril Knowles / fencing etc was grants. What a genuine and lovely man Sir Harold was extremely approachable and honest. Mind you he loved to pop into the bar during games to check his 50p multi bets on horse racing :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:34 pm 
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It does seem a little far fetched that Raj would deliberately de-value his asset. What does that leave for the reasons that he presides over such a run down club? Incompetence? Ill fortune? Poor advice? Underinvestment? A mixture of all of these?


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:40 pm 
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Maybe all of those plus possibly he doesn't have the same affinity with either the club or the town? Sir Harold was a keen fan, Raj is a keen fan too but his team is the Boro.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:17 pm 
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Leggie43 wrote:
MutleyRules wrote:
PTID wrote:
Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.

I bet Harold Hornsey never got anywhere near the money he put into Pools when IOR bought the Club from him.


Actually he did Mutters. We asked him during a sponsored game when he was still at the club in an advisory role. He would always be hanging around the boxes shaking hands with guests etc. He said the offer was to good to refuse because he basically broke even and he reasurred us IOR had plenty of money to invest. If memory serves he said he paid £100 grand for the club but could take it no further. He said this deal returned almost all his investment in full and allowed the club to move forward. The improvements Cyril Knowles / fencing etc was grants. What a genuine and lovely man Sir Harold was extremely approachable and honest. Mind you he loved to pop into the bar during games to check his 50p multi bets on horse racing :wink:

I saw him actually saying that and recall him stating he was alarmed at the number of cheques he was signing and said he couldn’t see himself going much further financing the club.

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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:23 pm 
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Snowy wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
MutleyRules wrote:
PTID wrote:
Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.

I bet Harold Hornsey never got anywhere near the money he put into Pools when IOR bought the Club from him.


Actually he did Mutters. We asked him during a sponsored game when he was still at the club in an advisory role. He would always be hanging around the boxes shaking hands with guests etc. He said the offer was to good to refuse because he basically broke even and he reasurred us IOR had plenty of money to invest. If memory serves he said he paid £100 grand for the club but could take it no further. He said this deal returned almost all his investment in full and allowed the club to move forward. The improvements Cyril Knowles / fencing etc was grants. What a genuine and lovely man Sir Harold was extremely approachable and honest. Mind you he loved to pop into the bar during games to check his 50p multi bets on horse racing :wink:

I saw him actually saying that and recall him stating he was alarmed at the number of cheques he was signing and said he couldn’t see himself going much further financing the club.


Was it in the corridor outside the boxes sctatchinghead Because you are correct he did mention the cheques. sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:54 pm 
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MutleyRules wrote:
PTID wrote:
Personally I think where we are now is pretty much the same as where we were when Harold Hornsey was here and hence the reason he sold the club to IOR. He couldn't afford to take us any further, Raj either can't or won't afford it either.
Suggestions that Raj is consciously dragging the club down with an intent to ruin us are madness, if that was the end goal he needn't have stepped in when we were a matter of days away from administration.
Ideally a takeover by someone with bags of cash, lots of football acumen, and lots of luck will step in and buy him out.
Or we get lucky and somehow find a ma ager who can achieve success with the resources available.
Or he cuts his losses and either sells at a loss, or walks away. Under either of those scenarios we could end up better or worse off.
All we can do is hope for the best, or give up hope.

I bet Harold Hornsey never got anywhere near the money he put into Pools when IOR bought the Club from him.


Same as every person that ever owned pools, lost a fortune and in most cases the fans hated them


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:30 am 
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thebizarredj wrote:
Just watched the goals from the Barrow v Doncaster game.

It made me a bit sad watching Luke Molyneux and Jamie Sterry starring again. It just shows the level and what we are up against in terms of where we are.

With this chairman and no disrespect meant, this old manager running things I despair. How much mismanagement and disrepair can our old club take?


It is soul destroying

even worse if you had watched the full game and compared it to last saturdays at the vic. very little sideways passing from both sides and players actually running around the pitch and not walking. proper goal kicks as well. compared to our games it looked like a benny hill chase sequance if ours were the norm.


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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:00 am 
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PTID wrote:
Did they both tell you that then or are you guessing?
Most people in most walks of life are driven by earnings, not the ambitions of their employer I find.


Exactly! Professional footballers are no different to the rest of us earning a crust. We want to maximise income to do the best we can for our families.

Most people who buy football clubs do not do so to lose money. There is a few that are prepared to lay out cash to fund improvements in a club that they support, admire etc but Raj is not one of them. We have to accept that until Raj gets a good offer HUFC are going nowhere soon.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:43 am 
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dstanley5 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Did they both tell you that then or are you guessing?
Most people in most walks of life are driven by earnings, not the ambitions of their employer I find.


Exactly! Professional footballers are no different to the rest of us earning a crust. We want to maximise income to do the best we can for our families.

Most people who buy football clubs do not do so to lose money. There is a few that are prepared to lay out cash to fund improvements in a club that they support, admire etc but Raj is not one of them. We have to accept that until Raj gets a good offer HUFC are going nowhere soon.

I believe the term is ‘swinging at anchor’ . sadx

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 Post subject: Re: Where we are
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:08 pm 
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dstanley5 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Did they both tell you that then or are you guessing?
Most people in most walks of life are driven by earnings, not the ambitions of their employer I find.


Exactly! Professional footballers are no different to the rest of us earning a crust. We want to maximise income to do the best we can for our families.

Most people who buy football clubs do not do so to lose money. There is a few that are prepared to lay out cash to fund improvements in a club that they support, admire etc but Raj is not one of them. We have to accept that until Raj gets a good offer HUFC are going nowhere soon.

across the game it seems every owner is losing money on a weakly basis even at our level.


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