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 Post subject: Too Many Cooks?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:50 am 
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Looking at the 'football side' we have

Sarll-Manager
Monks--Recruitment head?
Lawrence?--Director of Football/Sensei and Guru
Moore--Recruiment executive?

I know how football clubs expand these days on manager and recruiting, and don't get me wrong I don't think Sarll could coach a shite out of his arse, but I do think there are too many involved, and when the next bloke comes in (hopefully Pete Wild) I do hope a couple of them get scattered and the manager is allowed to coach the team to play how he wants, recruits who he wangs (with help and support) and is unambiguously in charge....and if he fails--he's sacked and someone else gets a go.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:26 am 
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loyal_fan wrote:

the manager is allowed to coach the team to play how he wants.


I understand your wider sentiment- however, is this not the reason why we're in shite with Uncle Darren in the first place? sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:26 am 
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Let’s be honest…if we had a decent manager we wouldn’t need to be slagging off the others…they are support staff …it’s the manager who’s ‘driving the bus’ that keeps driving off the road into ditches.

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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Apart from the manager are the other posts full time, once you have recruited or identified who is available job done, what kind of salaries are these people on, it must be a drain on the clubs meagre resources ?


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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At Darlo previous to Steve Watson, we had a manager called Josh Gowling.

His ineptness was truly staggering, his contacts and signings poor, game management/tactics terrible. Last season we got beat twice by far the worst team in the league.

Watson knows what he’s doing, when he came in he made a small number of key signings, then organised the remaining players into a unit that played good football and looked like they wanted to play, and of course we stayed in the league when it looked nailed on that the game was up. Hell, we even beat Scunthorpe Utd 4 nil, who at the time were flying high.

It’s amazing how much difference a good manager can make, some have got “it” - some haven’t.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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It's the lottery of finding the ones that do have "it" that we rarely get a winning ticket though.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Apart from the manager are the other posts full time, once you have recruited or identified who is available job done, what kind of salaries are these people on, it must be a drain on the clubs meagre resources ?

its fashion over substance yet again. surely all you need is a manager and a coach with a chief scout being paid and a few others helping him on a part time expenses only role. think its the department of fancy names for the jobs that wind people up the most. the council might own the ground but we do not need to have council type job titles for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Blindly following the model of PL clubs both in recruitment set ups but also the boring football style that is played at that level.
What works for Man City must work for Pools eh?


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Blindly following the model of PL clubs both in recruitment set ups but also the boring football style that is played at that level.
What works for Man City must work for Pools eh?


If only we played like Man City- instead of a poor man's Wimbledon banghead

The irony being that if you listen to Uncle Darren we play against Man City every game! refred


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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At Darlo previous to Steve Watson, we had a manager called Josh Gowling.

His ineptness was truly staggering, his contacts and signings poor, game management/tactics terrible. Last season we got beat twice by far the worst team in the league.

Watson knows what he’s doing, when he came in he made a small number of key signings, then organised the remaining players into a unit that played good football and looked like they wanted to play, and of course we stayed in the league when it looked nailed on that the game was up. Hell, we even beat Scunthorpe Utd 4 nil, who at the time were flying high.

It’s amazing how much difference a good manager can make, some have got “it” - some haven’t.


Watson has done an excellent job for you Infidel- like you say you were gone bar the shouting until he turned it round for you.

Thanks for bringing him to our attention - we'll have him off you, and you can have Uncle Darren! :dance:


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Infidel wrote:
At Darlo previous to Steve Watson, we had a manager called Josh Gowling.

His ineptness was truly staggering, his contacts and signings poor, game management/tactics terrible. Last season we got beat twice by far the worst team in the league.

Watson knows what he’s doing, when he came in he made a small number of key signings, then organised the remaining players into a unit that played good football and looked like they wanted to play, and of course we stayed in the league when it looked nailed on that the game was up. Hell, we even beat Scunthorpe Utd 4 nil, who at the time were flying high.

It’s amazing how much difference a good manager can make, some have got “it” - some haven’t.


On the one hand, you should worry, because it's a well-known fact that Raj reads the Bunker. On the other, he'll probably go for Josh Gowling :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Kettering Poolie wrote:
PTID wrote:
Blindly following the model of PL clubs both in recruitment set ups but also the boring football style that is played at that level.
What works for Man City must work for Pools eh?


If only we played like Man City- instead of a poor man's Wimbledon banghead

The irony being that if you listen to Uncle Darren we play against Man City every game! refred

there must be a middle ground still for a team that refuses to play sarll ball or tippy tappy play out from the back premier league football in the national and other leagues. both are equally bad in different ways. only problem though it seems the interpretations of the laws of the game seem to help the poor mans man.city sides.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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I hate to think how many managers Raj has hired and fired over the years. He never seems to learn anything, I don't understand his modus operandi tbh.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Infidel wrote:
I hate to think how many managers Raj has hired and fired over the years. He never seems to learn anything, I don't understand his modus operandi tbh.

it happened before raj though where little thought by the wages paid seemed to happen. to be fair he has only done what a lot of fans would have done and possibly later than some.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Infidel wrote:
I hate to think how many managers Raj has hired and fired over the years. He never seems to learn anything, I don't understand his modus operandi tbh.

It’s like crop rotation but keeps sowing weeds.

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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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our manager wage bracket is clearly not good enough - ive never really thought of it like that as usually we have always got managers whom are out of work and will take a wage (Bar Hartley). We are probably just on the cusp of being able to get a really good league manager. One who would come in and change things properly and know what to do with this squad. But I honestly dont think we have the funds nor does Raj to be able to field a decent 11 alongside getting in a good manager who for example might be wanting north of 80/100k a year.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Manager rotation seems the norm throughout football, Staying over five years nowadays seems to be as rare as hen's teeth. There will be exceptions but they are exceptions to the rule.

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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Eiphos_3 wrote:
our manager wage bracket is clearly not good enough - ive never really thought of it like that as usually we have always got managers whom are out of work and will take a wage (Bar Hartley). We are probably just on the cusp of being able to get a really good league manager. One who would come in and change things properly and know what to do with this squad. But I honestly dont think we have the funds nor does Raj to be able to field a decent 11 alongside getting in a good manager who for example might be wanting north of 80/100k a year.

nothing wrong with the present side that could be used better. every manager available will have a blot on their CV before we get them. its about doing the homework on the man and the type of player and football they use before giving em the chance. a good league manager is like a good league player. they,d only drop to non league level if there wasn,t else on offer. however there are managers of lesser clubs with even smaller budgets than us who would bust a gut for us playing at a proper ground and with fans counted in thousands rather than hundreds. its just getting the right man in and giving him a chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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derwent wrote:
Manager rotation seems the norm throughout football, Staying over five years nowadays seems to be as rare as hen's teeth. There will be exceptions but they are exceptions to the rule.

remember jack charlton saying that 5 years at a club is enough for the club and the manager. just a pity pools cannot say whether he was right or wrong. none of em can quote boredom in the job as i reason they lost it.


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Id like to see us with another Chally - sticking around for 3 years or more.

but the problem is there which we have already encountered too - get a good manager doing well in the NL and the bigger sides are always going to come knocking. Its like having a really good player - hes not sticking around in this days game.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Eiphos_3 wrote:
Id like to see us with another Chally - sticking around for 3 years or more.

but the problem is there which we have already encountered too - get a good manager doing well in the NL and the bigger sides are always going to come knocking. Its like having a really good player - hes not sticking around in this days game.

be a nice problem to have joining most other sides who are selling clubs themselves. there are only a handful in the premier league who are not.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Infidel wrote:
At Darlo previous to Steve Watson, we had a manager called Josh Gowling.

His ineptness was truly staggering, his contacts and signings poor, game management/tactics terrible. Last season we got beat twice by far the worst team in the league.

Watson knows what he’s doing, when he came in he made a small number of key signings, then organised the remaining players into a unit that played good football and looked like they wanted to play, and of course we stayed in the league when it looked nailed on that the game was up. Hell, we even beat Scunthorpe Utd 4 nil, who at the time were flying high.

It’s amazing how much difference a good manager can make, some have got “it” - some haven’t.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Infidel wrote:
I hate to think how many managers Raj has hired and fired over the years. He never seems to learn anything, I don't understand his modus operandi tbh.


"modus operandi"

Fucking hell man, Your on the bunker, Thats Snarll speak.


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 Post subject: Re: Too Many Cooks?
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Grayhoundend wrote:
Infidel wrote:
I hate to think how many managers Raj has hired and fired over the years. He never seems to learn anything, I don't understand his modus operandi tbh.


"modus operandi"

Fucking hell man, Your on the bunker, Thats Snarll speak.


Yeah, it's M.O. Everyone knows that.


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